So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
22 November 2018, 11:28 AM
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Ok, I understand the great uneducated and unwashed (of which there are a higher proportion than of the other in the UK) voted to leave, but we have people in power who we vote in to ensure the UK is run to our benefit...… some politicians will say "this is suicide" and resign rather than do something that is detrimental to the future of the country. Some will stay and carry it out regardless...…..It is the 2nd lot that I have issues with..... if people like May, Mogg etc do this and the country falls apart (economically or socially) then there should be some legal recourse against them if they have be shown to have "destroyed" the country for their own personal benefit. If it is shown they did this then they should be charged with a crime like treason (or something equally harsh).
...and then another, until we get the right answer. It worked for the Scots and the Danes.
22 November 2018, 05:18 PM
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unless some agreement is made on working in the EU it will probably just end up being the way it is now if you work elsewhere in the world. You have an 84 day period you can enter the UK over four years. If you go over those days and the tax man finds out you are liable to pay Uk tax on those earnings for the entire period of that term.
I know plenty of people who really have to plan their days when returning to the uk and god forgive if there was a funeral or some other important family matter.
23 November 2018, 09:33 AM
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unless some agreement is made on working in the EU it will probably just end up being the way it is now if you work elsewhere in the world. You have an 84 day period you can enter the UK over four years. If you go over those days and the tax man finds out you are liable to pay Uk tax on those earnings for the entire period of that term.
I know plenty of people who really have to plan their days when returning to the uk and god forgive if there was a funeral or some other important family matter.
Alcazars point about nobody living abroad before the EU is as ever over simplified. Of course people lived abroad before the EU, but for most Brits, they were living in other countries of the British empire which made it pretty easy to live there like the EU does today. Of the non-EU people I know, any with entitlement to an EU passport through parents or grandparents have taken it as soon as they moved here because it makes living here way easier. I know countless Aussies and Kiwi's that have British passports, I know a Kiwi with a Dutch passport, a Canadian with a Latvian passport, a Aussie with a Polish passport who had to get his mum to apply for a Polish passport so that he would be entitled to one - that a lot of effort to go to, but worth it to avoid the hassle of working visas and residency permits every year!
In 2015, 622 Brits took German nationality.
2016, the year of the Brexit vote, there were 2865, an increase of 361%!
2017, the first full year after Brexit vote, 7493 Brits took German nationality, a further 162% increase!
There is a very high chance that after Brexit, you will have to give up either your British or German nationality and Germany doesn't permit dual nationality for non-EU countries! So why are all these Brits choosing to become German - because they know how much hassle it will be to live in Germany/EU if they don't!
23 November 2018, 10:24 AM
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Its a particular problem for people working away with family back home. They eased the laws a few years ago though, so you can now have a few more days back in the UK than you used to.
Alcazars point about nobody living abroad before the EU is as ever over simplified. Of course people lived abroad before the EU, but for most Brits, they were living in other countries of the British empire which made it pretty easy to live there like the EU does today. Of the non-EU people I know, any with entitlement to an EU passport through parents or grandparents have taken it as soon as they moved here because it makes living here way easier. I know countless Aussies and Kiwi's that have British passports, I know a Kiwi with a Dutch passport, a Canadian with a Latvian passport, a Aussie with a Polish passport who had to get his mum to apply for a Polish passport so that he would be entitled to one - that a lot of effort to go to, but worth it to avoid the hassle of working visas and residency permits every year!
In 2015, 622 Brits took German nationality.
2016, the year of the Brexit vote, there were 2865, an increase of 361%!
2017, the first full year after Brexit vote, 7493 Brits took German nationality, a further 162% increase!
There is a very high chance that after Brexit, you will have to give up either your British or German nationality and Germany doesn't permit dual nationality for non-EU countries! So why are all these Brits choosing to become German - because they know how much hassle it will be to live in Germany/EU if they don't!
Alcazars point about nobody living abroad before the EU is as ever over simplified. Of course people lived abroad before the EU, but for most Brits, they were living in other countries of the British empire which made it pretty easy to live there like the EU does today. Of the non-EU people I know, any with entitlement to an EU passport through parents or grandparents have taken it as soon as they moved here because it makes living here way easier. I know countless Aussies and Kiwi's that have British passports, I know a Kiwi with a Dutch passport, a Canadian with a Latvian passport, a Aussie with a Polish passport who had to get his mum to apply for a Polish passport so that he would be entitled to one - that a lot of effort to go to, but worth it to avoid the hassle of working visas and residency permits every year!
In 2015, 622 Brits took German nationality.
2016, the year of the Brexit vote, there were 2865, an increase of 361%!
2017, the first full year after Brexit vote, 7493 Brits took German nationality, a further 162% increase!
There is a very high chance that after Brexit, you will have to give up either your British or German nationality and Germany doesn't permit dual nationality for non-EU countries! So why are all these Brits choosing to become German - because they know how much hassle it will be to live in Germany/EU if they don't!
23 November 2018, 02:55 PM
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I think that if we do stay the majority of leave voters will inwardly sigh with relief and it will revert to a few vocal individuals (rich or plain dumb [racist?]) moaning loudly with the majority of people ignoring them.
27 November 2018, 04:49 PM
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If they started promoting the good points of the EU a bit more, then then acceptance would certainly be a lot higher. Couple that with an intention to lead EU reform from within and you will over most leavers.
If they also started inward investing in schools, hospitals and social housing, then the people would be so unbelievably happy, they'd completely forget about Brexit!
If they also started inward investing in schools, hospitals and social housing, then the people would be so unbelievably happy, they'd completely forget about Brexit!
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If they started promoting the good points of the EU a bit more, then then acceptance would certainly be a lot higher. Couple that with an intention to lead EU reform from within and you will over most leavers.
If they also started inward investing in schools, hospitals and social housing, then the people would be so unbelievably happy, they'd completely forget about Brexit!
If they also started inward investing in schools, hospitals and social housing, then the people would be so unbelievably happy, they'd completely forget about Brexit!
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28 November 2018, 01:50 AM
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.b...itics-46363879
Why doesn't that kin big ole lump Lard go "negociate" if she thinks she can do better
Why doesn't that kin big ole lump Lard go "negociate" if she thinks she can do better
28 November 2018, 11:20 AM
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If they started promoting the good points of the EU a bit more, then then acceptance would certainly be a lot higher. Couple that with an intention to lead EU reform from within and you will over most leavers.
If they also started inward investing in schools, hospitals and social housing, then the people would be so unbelievably happy, they'd completely forget about Brexit!
If they also started inward investing in schools, hospitals and social housing, then the people would be so unbelievably happy, they'd completely forget about Brexit!
28 November 2018, 12:32 PM
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If the xenophobes get their way, what's the next step, ban freedom of movement within the UK? Every City, Town and Village becomes like Royston Vasey - you'll never leave!
28 November 2018, 12:34 PM
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I wouldn't want to reform freedom of movement, its the best thing that the EU membership offers the public and is enjoyed by millions of working and retired Brits throughout the bloc!
If the xenophobes get their way, what's the next step, ban freedom of movement within the UK? Every City, Town and Village becomes like Royston Vasey - you'll never leave!
If the xenophobes get their way, what's the next step, ban freedom of movement within the UK? Every City, Town and Village becomes like Royston Vasey - you'll never leave!
29 November 2018, 07:51 AM
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.b...itics-46363879
Why doesn't that kin big ole lump Lard go "negociate" if she thinks she can do better
Why doesn't that kin big ole lump Lard go "negociate" if she thinks she can do better
Whether the EU will concede on anything is probably unlikely.
For me, I don't think its too bad of a deal, N.Ireland does indeed get to trade freely as we currently already do.
The main issue most people have is the fact that we will still adhere to EU laws/regulations, both current, and anything new, yet we will have absolutely zero say in the new ones as we won't be present.
29 November 2018, 01:22 PM
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...most-six-years
I presume this is what brexiters here wanted , or not ?
Nothing wrong with nurses etc coming from other places imo
I presume this is what brexiters here wanted , or not ?
Nothing wrong with nurses etc coming from other places imo
29 November 2018, 01:45 PM
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...most-six-years
I presume this is what brexiters here wanted , or not ?
Nothing wrong with nurses etc coming from other places imo
I presume this is what brexiters here wanted , or not ?
Nothing wrong with nurses etc coming from other places imo
Oooo, they won't like that, it was bad enough we had those dirty Europeans coming over here, now they're being replaced by people who may be less than white, God forbid! Tommy Robinson, if he was dead, would be turning like a good 'un........................
29 November 2018, 02:03 PM
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Mmmmm, so Labour are quibbling over who hosts the debate, BBC or ITV
Really, Jeremy?
Mr Corbyn claimed he preferred ITV's bid out of "respect" for viewers who wanted to watch the I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here! final on ITV the same evening - 9 December.
"I want to watch it myself," he said.
"I want to watch it myself," he said.
29 November 2018, 02:15 PM
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Economic migration is driven by economic demand. If they are not coming from the EU, then they have to come from somewhere else in order to meet economic demand for workforce that cannot be filled by the local population. Given we always had control of non-EU migration, and non-EU migrants were still arriving because the economic demand for workers was higher than the EU could supply, it was always clear that any fall in EU numbers would be met with an increase in non-EU numbers, often from cultures and religions that are somewhat more incompatible with our own compared to the largely similar EU migrants.
Non-Economic migration is a different factor, primarily driven by people fleeing war or oppressive regimes, however the number of refugees and asylum seekers is relative low compared to the economic migrants (just over 26K asylum seekers last year).
The simple fact is, even with full control of immigration, the government is unlikely to reduce figures without damaging the economy. Its a balance between a desire to restrict immigration and supporting the free market economy and any Conservative government will always favour the free market economy! If you really want to limit immigration, then Corbyns Labour will probably be more effective!
Another interesting point this week is the two reports released yesterday from the Government and the Bank of England which pretty much independently came to the same conclusions. Any form of exiting the EU is worse than remaining in the EU and the harder the exit the higher the price! So now we can be sure that No Deal is in fact worse than a Bad Deal! Who'd have thought?
29 November 2018, 02:36 PM
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There were less than 1/2 that figure actually granted asylum
1/15 the number Germany granted
1/15 the number Germany granted
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