So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
03 January 2021, 08:11 PM
#6271
Now they have control over their government. Most are far more aware politically, so will be keeping a keen eye on this government and successive.
03 January 2021, 09:22 PM
#6272
Scooby Regular
Yep , Boris is going give them everything the EU has been successively taken away from them all these years
what a load of absolute cobblers
what a load of absolute cobblers
04 January 2021, 11:15 AM
#6275
04 January 2021, 01:17 PM
#6277
I also do not believe that now the genie is out of the bottle (and remember, this is for low paid workers only, migrant workers have had zero effect on higher paid jobs) that those jobs will return to previous levels. Minimum wage is still minimum wage, the types of companies that exploit people for less will still exploit them for less, they just won't be immigrants.
04 January 2021, 01:18 PM
#6278
Scooby Regular
Yep stick all those millions uk indigenous on yet more unregulated zero hours contracts delivering your amazon packages
or they dont get their housing
or they dont get their housing
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04 January 2021, 02:20 PM
#6279
There's currently a chronic shortage of HGV drivers in the UK, around 60,000 vacancies. There is a statutory minimum wage for HGV drivers, average salary is around £30k, a lot more for international work. A lot of this shortage was taken up by East European drivers, who were attracted by higher wages than they could get in their own country. Now that they can't come here to work, this situation will be getting worse. The idea that Polish drivers rock up to a job interview and say "whatever the rate is, I'll do it for less" is a complete fabrication. Taking our jobs? Clearly not with a shortage that big. They have had zero impact on wages in this sector. I suspect that is the case for many other sectors. I have yet to see any evidence of immigration depressing wages.
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04 January 2021, 07:26 PM
#6281
Brexit benefit ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55530721 - Eu firms will not ship to the UK
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1379277/brexit-news-expats-Spain-Italy-Germany-eu-travel-british-airways-iberia-travel-document
expats refused entry...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton...h=2b2072c35bbd Buy British ??
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55530721 - Eu firms will not ship to the UK
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1379277/brexit-news-expats-Spain-Italy-Germany-eu-travel-british-airways-iberia-travel-document
expats refused entry...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton...h=2b2072c35bbd Buy British ??
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05 January 2021, 10:12 AM
#6282
Scoobynet fact check:
Great journalism there "EU firms" = Dutch bike bits and Beer on web. Two fecking companies. And one other temporarily suspending shipment. Come on BBC if you want that headline to stick, I want a big list of hundreds if not thousands of EU companies that are not shipping to the UK...otherwise that headline is not warranted (yet; I await with bated breath)
This kind of reporting not doing any favours for people like me who are pro-EU. It just undermines my argument and provides fuel to the angry irrational people to shout about.
and later reads....Because of airport staff errors and confusion over what is correct documentation.
Typical Daily Express click bait headline...,Please look at media fact check, seriously never ever quote from that tabloid. It'll automatically undermine you as it's a poor news source; It's blocked from my News feed purely for its clickbait.
Erm Wut?
Only the Italians could make something in the UK, ship it to Italy and then ship it back to the UK. Honestly I bet the saddles do more miles in the back of a HGV than they will ever do on a bicycle
How are they even staying in business doing that?
To me this is all grasping for headlines too soon. Give it six months and covid aside, we'll see if any real chaos ensues.
This kind of reporting not doing any favours for people like me who are pro-EU. It just undermines my argument and provides fuel to the angry irrational people to shout about.
Typical Daily Express click bait headline...,Please look at media fact check, seriously never ever quote from that tabloid. It'll automatically undermine you as it's a poor news source; It's blocked from my News feed purely for its clickbait.
Only the Italians could make something in the UK, ship it to Italy and then ship it back to the UK. Honestly I bet the saddles do more miles in the back of a HGV than they will ever do on a bicycle
How are they even staying in business doing that?To me this is all grasping for headlines too soon. Give it six months and covid aside, we'll see if any real chaos ensues.
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05 January 2021, 11:27 AM
#6283
Scooby Senior
Its unlikely that Chaos will ensue and some teething problems in the first weeks are to be expected with such huge changes.
The significant changes will happen over time once the dust has settled and companies make investment decisions based on the new landscape.
The Irish have invested big in a new port and transport infrastructure in Rossiare to open up new ferry routes to France and Spain bypassing the current routes via the UK. When that comes online later this year, that will have an impact on UK ports, in particular Hollyhead.
Once car production runs come to an end, many maufacturers will have to way up the value of continuing production of new models in the UK or moving to europe. The cost of moving a running production will be prohibitive, so it will be a model change time when new tooling investment is also made.
Many small businesses that have previously seemlessly traded with the EU and now lumbered with complicated paperwork to deal with. Any business that previously traded with the rest of the world can probably take on the extra admin without too much additional effort or costs, but many of the smallest businesses previously limited their export trade to the EU to avoid additional costs. They now have a tough decission of giving up that market or starting to struggle with the new admin and costs of agencies to complete the paperwork possibly making a once profitable small business unviable.
With the loss of reliable loss cost foreign workers, companies will struggle to find reliable UK workers willing to work for the same salaries. That's going to push up employment costs which inturn increases customer prices in the short to medium term. Many businesses have been stockpiling prior to the Brexit deadline, once those stocks are depleted and with additional import costs involved, cost increases will start to appear - the first impact will be on fresh produce, with other price increases over time.
The significant changes will happen over time once the dust has settled and companies make investment decisions based on the new landscape.
The Irish have invested big in a new port and transport infrastructure in Rossiare to open up new ferry routes to France and Spain bypassing the current routes via the UK. When that comes online later this year, that will have an impact on UK ports, in particular Hollyhead.
Once car production runs come to an end, many maufacturers will have to way up the value of continuing production of new models in the UK or moving to europe. The cost of moving a running production will be prohibitive, so it will be a model change time when new tooling investment is also made.
Many small businesses that have previously seemlessly traded with the EU and now lumbered with complicated paperwork to deal with. Any business that previously traded with the rest of the world can probably take on the extra admin without too much additional effort or costs, but many of the smallest businesses previously limited their export trade to the EU to avoid additional costs. They now have a tough decission of giving up that market or starting to struggle with the new admin and costs of agencies to complete the paperwork possibly making a once profitable small business unviable.
With the loss of reliable loss cost foreign workers, companies will struggle to find reliable UK workers willing to work for the same salaries. That's going to push up employment costs which inturn increases customer prices in the short to medium term. Many businesses have been stockpiling prior to the Brexit deadline, once those stocks are depleted and with additional import costs involved, cost increases will start to appear - the first impact will be on fresh produce, with other price increases over time.
05 January 2021, 12:46 PM
#6284
Scooby Regular
Its unlikely that Chaos will ensue and some teething problems in the first weeks are to be expected with such huge changes.
The significant changes will happen over time once the dust has settled and companies make investment decisions based on the new landscape.
The Irish have invested big in a new port and transport infrastructure in Rossiare to open up new ferry routes to France and Spain bypassing the current routes via the UK. When that comes online later this year, that will have an impact on UK ports, in particular Hollyhead.
Once car production runs come to an end, many maufacturers will have to way up the value of continuing production of new models in the UK or moving to europe. The cost of moving a running production will be prohibitive, so it will be a model change time when new tooling investment is also made.
Many small businesses that have previously seemlessly traded with the EU and now lumbered with complicated paperwork to deal with. Any business that previously traded with the rest of the world can probably take on the extra admin without too much additional effort or costs, but many of the smallest businesses previously limited their export trade to the EU to avoid additional costs. They now have a tough decission of giving up that market or starting to struggle with the new admin and costs of agencies to complete the paperwork possibly making a once profitable small business unviable.
With the loss of reliable loss cost foreign workers, companies will struggle to find reliable UK workers willing to work for the same salaries. That's going to push up employment costs which inturn increases customer prices in the short to medium term. Many businesses have been stockpiling prior to the Brexit deadline, once those stocks are depleted and with additional import costs involved, cost increases will start to appear - the first impact will be on fresh produce, with other price increases over time.
The significant changes will happen over time once the dust has settled and companies make investment decisions based on the new landscape.
The Irish have invested big in a new port and transport infrastructure in Rossiare to open up new ferry routes to France and Spain bypassing the current routes via the UK. When that comes online later this year, that will have an impact on UK ports, in particular Hollyhead.
Once car production runs come to an end, many maufacturers will have to way up the value of continuing production of new models in the UK or moving to europe. The cost of moving a running production will be prohibitive, so it will be a model change time when new tooling investment is also made.
Many small businesses that have previously seemlessly traded with the EU and now lumbered with complicated paperwork to deal with. Any business that previously traded with the rest of the world can probably take on the extra admin without too much additional effort or costs, but many of the smallest businesses previously limited their export trade to the EU to avoid additional costs. They now have a tough decission of giving up that market or starting to struggle with the new admin and costs of agencies to complete the paperwork possibly making a once profitable small business unviable.
With the loss of reliable loss cost foreign workers, companies will struggle to find reliable UK workers willing to work for the same salaries. That's going to push up employment costs which inturn increases customer prices in the short to medium term. Many businesses have been stockpiling prior to the Brexit deadline, once those stocks are depleted and with additional import costs involved, cost increases will start to appear - the first impact will be on fresh produce, with other price increases over time.
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05 January 2021, 12:54 PM
#6285
Scooby Senior
05 January 2021, 01:24 PM
#6286
As I said, all of that will come in time.
To what extent of the severity, we can just speculate.
If the overheads of export to the UK outweighs the cost/profit margin of the goods. It's only natural it will become unavailable or more expensive; Much like I find it very difficult to source specific items from the USA or Canada, and when I can, the price is too high. It's not a unique thing between the UK/EU. The balance lies in the hands of politicians, I for one would love to have better trade with the USA (not TTIP though), Oz, Canada and South Africa etc. in the same way as we used to deal with the EU. Our own tax regime have a influence and that may change again one way or the other (Tories won't be in forever).
Furthermore 'EU' items sold within the EU but are infact manufactured on their behalf outside of it(usually China) opens up a means of opportunity for a UK brands to source the same item from the same source country but for UK sale by a UK brand. Seeing the BBC headline is crying over bicycle parts, it's worth pointing out most bicycles and their components are not manufactured in the EU (Shimano as they obvious example). Whether a UK based supplier could competitively export said components again lies with our politicians.
The employee deficit is a complicated issue intwined with disastrous socio-economic policies that the UK has supported for the past few decades that has led us to a situation where we have a good/high minimum wage for a low-level worker coming from Eastern Europe for seasonal/short contract work and has lower living expenses when they are happy to live in a slum and send surplus money home. Meanwhile a British person needs a high wage to live is what UK society deems as acceptable. Poverty exists in Britain, wage poverty is a real quandary when a British person is expected to afford rent or mortgages on property valued at ludicrous amounts that just keep on increasing. A British person does not want to live in poverty on the wages a East EU migrant worker maybe happy with. It a quandary that really severance from the EU may actually force politicians to address.
To what extent of the severity, we can just speculate.
If the overheads of export to the UK outweighs the cost/profit margin of the goods. It's only natural it will become unavailable or more expensive; Much like I find it very difficult to source specific items from the USA or Canada, and when I can, the price is too high. It's not a unique thing between the UK/EU. The balance lies in the hands of politicians, I for one would love to have better trade with the USA (not TTIP though), Oz, Canada and South Africa etc. in the same way as we used to deal with the EU. Our own tax regime have a influence and that may change again one way or the other (Tories won't be in forever).
Furthermore 'EU' items sold within the EU but are infact manufactured on their behalf outside of it(usually China) opens up a means of opportunity for a UK brands to source the same item from the same source country but for UK sale by a UK brand. Seeing the BBC headline is crying over bicycle parts, it's worth pointing out most bicycles and their components are not manufactured in the EU (Shimano as they obvious example). Whether a UK based supplier could competitively export said components again lies with our politicians.
The employee deficit is a complicated issue intwined with disastrous socio-economic policies that the UK has supported for the past few decades that has led us to a situation where we have a good/high minimum wage for a low-level worker coming from Eastern Europe for seasonal/short contract work and has lower living expenses when they are happy to live in a slum and send surplus money home. Meanwhile a British person needs a high wage to live is what UK society deems as acceptable. Poverty exists in Britain, wage poverty is a real quandary when a British person is expected to afford rent or mortgages on property valued at ludicrous amounts that just keep on increasing. A British person does not want to live in poverty on the wages a East EU migrant worker maybe happy with. It a quandary that really severance from the EU may actually force politicians to address.
06 January 2021, 09:08 AM
#6288
Scooby Regular
Dont know why they are bothering to go that far at all - after all weve been told our waters are teaming with fishes
"The EU deal is done, but for English distant-waters fishing......."
So , someone elses then lol
call a spade a spade
- our cultural heritage - appropriating the locals everything
"The EU deal is done, but for English distant-waters fishing......."
So , someone elses then lol
call a spade a spade
- our cultural heritage - appropriating the locals everything
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07 January 2021, 03:06 PM
#6292
Scooby Regular
Once car production runs come to an end, many maufacturers will have to way up the value of continuing production of new models in the UK or moving to europe. The cost of moving a running production will be prohibitive, so it will be a model change time when new tooling investment is also made.
07 January 2021, 03:14 PM
#6293
This has already happened, regardless of our membership of the EU, and it's not unique to the UK. The most obvious example for the UK was Peugeot, who moved production from Ryton to Slovakia. I can't think that happened for another other reason than cost. Then, Germany had the same with the BMW 1 series and built(build) it in Hungary, I'm sure there are many many other examples. As you say, car production and where it happens is a long term decision. Wouldn't surprise me if US car makers had moved things to Mexico for the same reasons.
11 January 2021, 08:51 PM
#6295
Scooby Regular
12 January 2021, 09:02 AM
#6296
When the financial crisis hit, the weak EU countries were saddled with massive loans/debt/sovereign sacrifice, never will they be able settle debt or regain lost independence- only default or leaving the EU currency
Mass illegal migration, Eu just left the southern members to sort out the mess, well actually they were and are currently overwhelmed by the numbers.
Hungary told them to FO and have no problems with illegals trying to swamp their borders.
Now the pandemic hits, each country is scrabbling for their own supply of vaccines, instead of waiting for EU program- have they actually got a program yet?
EU club is all well and good when everything is fine and dandy inside their closed off cartel, until a big problem hits, then it is left for individual nations to sort out the mess.
EU is a level of bureaucracy just not needed-hugely expensive and cannot deal with major incidents.
Mass illegal migration, Eu just left the southern members to sort out the mess, well actually they were and are currently overwhelmed by the numbers.
Hungary told them to FO and have no problems with illegals trying to swamp their borders.
Now the pandemic hits, each country is scrabbling for their own supply of vaccines, instead of waiting for EU program- have they actually got a program yet?
EU club is all well and good when everything is fine and dandy inside their closed off cartel, until a big problem hits, then it is left for individual nations to sort out the mess.
EU is a level of bureaucracy just not needed-hugely expensive and cannot deal with major incidents.
12 January 2021, 09:17 AM
#6297
Scooby Regular
We brits ducked our responsiblity for takng asylum seekers , leaving it to southern countries to cope with it all, and relying on our far off island status as a barrier also
we even attempting to send 'home' people been here for 50 years
we even attempting to send 'home' people been here for 50 years
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12 January 2021, 09:26 AM
#6298
Scooby Regular
asylum seekers are legal oblidged to request asylum in the fisrt safe country they arrive in. So all those coming from france are just choosing where to go, this is not asylum this is imigration.
12 January 2021, 09:36 AM
#6300
Why should we, Mutti said she would take them all- catastrophic decision. Ever since Germany has been shipping them back on the sly. France offers nothing, other than a good beating, oh and a dingy for the onward journey. No EU country in the north, in fact anywhere in the EU wants these illegal migrants.