BMWhere?

Not yet! The UK is not enforcing customs rules yet. They have extended the grace period to the end of the year. Come January 2022 there will be a second Brexit hit.

IdonthaveaScooby

Cos we dont need manufacturing jobs in brexit britian do we

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ogistics-firm/

andy97

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Honda announced back in 2019 that it was closing its plant because
"unprecedented changes in the global automotive industry."

Nothing to do with UK leaving the EU.

Honda has seen Europe wide decline so is globally restructuring

ALi-B

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When we sign up to further environmental treaties and adopt more lefty policies the UK will see further deindustrialisation. Which is directly related to its car assembly. Eventually car production will end up going to where the batteries are being made.

Whilst they can import raw product from overseas to assemble in the UK, there is a ever-reducing incentive if foreign factories are cheaper to run, environmental legislation more lax, workers cheaper to sack and employ and the product is intended for export out of its producing country anyway.

Swindon's demise was cast in stone when the Japan/EU free trade agreement was signed allowing tariff free car imports straight from Japan. Putting Japanese plants bank into the game. Swindon's car factory was built specifically to avoid import tariffs on Japanese cars, so now it has no purpose.

JackClark

Wiping away the tears here.

IdonthaveaScooby

More work for care staff !!

thats what brexit was for wasnt it , creating more british worker jobs

except they dont want to do it

ALi-B

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If this is about the brits that dodged Spanish taxes by not applying for residency. Then this is not really a Brexit issue. It's the Spanish government finally clamping down on tax the dodgers which has been rife for years. The current government has been far more proactive than any previous government. Brexit just allows further tightening of those already existing rules (to put it in laymen's; You live in Spain you pay your way).

During the property boom they turned a massive blind eye to this, as well as the black economy where prior to this property was part-purchased with cash off the books saving tax, but leaving a big discrepancy between its declared 'on the books' value and its real world value. And those owing money in taxes or community fees were never really chased for what they owed (unless they owed the bank, who would just repossess property) As property prices recover after the crash, the more recent governments have been a lot more proactive in making sure those living there are actually paying their way.

It may also explain why there's been a consistent reduction in Moroccan and Romanian migrant workers since these clamp downs.

They often assume if you're foreign, you are a tax dodger, and the onus is on you to provide the proof that you have done everything correctly for the entire duration of you being there. If you have no proof, they assume you're at fault. Just by simply having a skip outside your house and you'll soon have the Guardia come knocking to check for worker and building permits.

Now, how does that affect the average expat? Greatly. Because many live with their heads in the sand. Not making the effort to ensure they are abiding by the relevant rules, paying the correct tax or notifying the correct officials/departments. They declare ignorance and naivety as the excuse upon being caught, but Spanish officials don't accept that as an excuse; You live in Spain, you learn the system, or pay for someone to oversea it for you..,there are plenty of English speaking solicitors, advice and translation services available to ensure what you do is legit.

Clearly a lot of these sob stories are from those that never paid their due diligence.

Imagine if all those Londoners who have a second home in the sticks never paid any council taxes on that holiday property?

ALi-B

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Just a further point:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-eu-referendum

Expats (as in those resident overseas) were not able to vote in the referendum .....so how did these 'so called' expats manage to vote for Brexit?

My case in point...living there but not residents. Now forced out as they have to live like a true resident...unless they pissed away all their money so don't qualify (will need to be able afford medical insurance etc).

BMWhere?

You can can still vote as an expat for 15 years after you leave the UK.

Many expats living in Spain are retired and not working, often investing all their savings on their property in Spain then living of their pensions.

Under the new rules in Spain you can only remain resident in Spain if you're employed or have sufficient savings to be self sufficient from the Spanish state, meaning many pensioners are losing their right to live there as they do not qualify for residency.

The irony is many of them voted to leave, never integrated in Spain and are now shocked that they're being sent home.

Funnily enough, I remember warning Alcazar with his retirement home in France of this happening early in the Brezit debate, but he was agreement there was o chance of that happening as they need us more than we need them.

IdonthaveaScooby

Sounded like might have sell up anyway through ill health


(which would be pricey insurance , as a visitor)

IdonthaveaScooby

Just hope was worth it

and the sacrifice and all his next generation have got their jobs back.....

coupe_20vt

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My parents live in Portugal and were able to vote in the referendum. As above, if you've been out of the country for more than 15 years then you couldn't vote.

IdonthaveaScooby

We don’t need small businesses/trading with our largest trading partner now do we..!


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...ty/ar-BB1f4yGz

Wurzel

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I don't get what the problem is and why everyone is moaning, you got what you wanted and that was out of the EU so you could go it alone, take back control and make your own rules. The world is much bigger than the EU, there are another 6.5 billion other people out there also not in the EU to trade with and countries to go on holiday to.

mrtheedge2u2

A looooooooooooooooooooooot of people thought, very stupidly, that voting to leave would only hurt "them" and not "us British boys. 2 World wars and One World Cup and all that" They genuinely believed border control only applied to people going into Britain and not the other way around. These British clowns who lived in Spain etc and voted to leave.......hahahaha makes me giggle myself to sleep at how stupid a lot of people are.

BMWhere?

A German colleague of mine is currently looking to buy a place in Spain, he's hoping there will be plenty of property bargains going as Brexit Brits leave in their droves!

I have zero sympathy for the Brits in Spain who have made zero attempt to integrate, have never contributed to Spain and dodged taxes and then voted for Brexit like Turkeys voting for Christmas! I'm sure Spain will be glad to see the back of them!

andy97

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The Germans are just like the Brits, Dutch lalalalala. They all make there own little groups.

Germans dont buy, they rent

The Spanish are desperate to get the British holiday makers back.

A number of them failed to plan and have enough money to sustain themselves. If enough Brits leave the Costa's, that whole region will collapse financially, just adding to Spain's dire issues

ALi-B

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The best cheap property is the mortgage repossessions; There's still a lot of empty properties still owned by the banks after the big crash. They didn't put them all on the market at the same time to try and avoid depressing house prices any further. But in the past few years more and more are being released on to market. Some brand new fully furnished. A good real estate agent with local knowledge will find them out. Just be aware some may have been under-valued and authorities may reassess the true value and tax you on it.

The vacating expat properties are likely to be junk; If they don't have £25k odd to their name to qualify to stay then either they had no money to start with, or p*ssed it away. Either way the property is likely to be a shyte box in Torrevieja. That's basically like living in Nechells but with more sunshine

andy97

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The Spanish aren't so keen to see UK papers saying Brits being thrown out. They have said that they are not likely to throw Brits out even if they extend beyond the 90 days in any one stint. kinda puts a different slant on it all

IdonthaveaScooby

Where ?

Smells a lot like brexit bravado bull

BMWhere?

I'd say the Spanish police are unlikely to waste their time looking to UK citizens who have overstayed their welcome. They are more likely to wait until you need something from them, then they'll suddenly be very interested and throw the book at you.

My brother in law got caught riding a moped without a helmet in Spain when he was a youth, he got and duly ignored a court summons and continued to holiday in Spain for years without a problem. Then 20 odd years later, he emigrated to Spain, did all the registration malarkey and a couple of months later the police came to his house, arrested him and locked him up for the night. Turns out there was a long standing arrest warrant for his no show at court and was now looking at a possible jail term. The Spanish judge took sympathy on him as he was now a father and let him off with a hefty fine and a years driving ban. The point is, as long as its not really their problem, the Spanish don't really care, but as soon as you become their problem, they will dig up everything they have on you!

The bigger issue for most Brits overstaying will be from an insurance perspective. If you need to make a claim on your medical or travel insurance, the insurance companies will check your travel details and void your policy if you've been there too long.

Another possible issue is that while the Spanish (and other Mediterranean countries) may turn a blind eye to over-stayers coming and going at passport control, other Schengen countries with stricter border policies may not. Overstay in Spain then fly from the UK to Amsterdam for a stag weekend, then the Dutch will see you overstayed on your Schengen visa in Spain a couple of years ago and suddenly your headache won't be coming from the weed you'd been planning to smoke!

BMWhere?

1st Quarter of UK "Independence" complete and the sunny uplands of Brexit are not quite looking like the promised utopia!

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56592411

Where is the Brexit dividend when companies are relocating jobs, growth and taxes back within the EU?
Sure, some of the profits may come back to the UK after being taxed in the EU country, then they will be taxed again in the UK and only the shareholders of the company will benefit anyway from the profits and there will be less profits to benefit from! So the company is worse off, the shareholders are worse off and the UK tax man is worse off

So much for being free to make trade deals with whoever we like! The government itself doesn't even see a real benefit from new trade deals yet has still torn up the best trade deal we could ever had so that we can pretend we have "sovereignty" when in reality we will always be subservient to our larger trading partners.

IdonthaveaScooby

Least all them Turks are returning home - lol

and Andy doesnt have somone in Brussels telling him what shape bananas he can eat !

andy97

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I do have business's in Europe and US making nice profits thanks.

BMWhere?

Exactly the problem, employing people in Europe, paying taxes in Europe, benefiting Europe while the UK is losing out!

Wurzel

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I have stuff for work from the UK stuck in customs in Leipzig at this very moment, even with an EORI number on the shipments customs doesn't clear them and DHL don't know what to do so ship them back to the UK. it is a fecking joke and happens atleast 50% if not more fo the time.

andy97

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No problem at all, thanks, money breeds money

BMWhere?

Ah, now I understand, your secret plan is to make Europe richer at the expense of the UK! I'm sure the Europeans appreciate your generosity!

IdonthaveaScooby

They’re different enterprise’s

basically an admission of defeat


hth

andy97

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Money is cyclic, earn it, spend it. All depends where you spend it.