He'll be dead before we'll know any difference in terms of wealth and before that life is going to be more difficult for most

 

That’s the Best forecast !

 

Day one, independent UK
Electric pulse fishing banned in UK waters. Imminent banning of super trawlers due to huge numbers of dolphins being killed by these trawlers. Remote CCTV on all medium and large trawlers to overseee catches are what they have been authorised to catch.

 

Eu is bringing all that in anyway ....

will we be able to ban the foreign flagged supertrawlers Even more now .....!?

 

Later this year. We can sink any non UK ships at anytime now 🚀🛳️

 

I dont think we are actaully at war !

so no we cant

 

The actual real life fishermen of Newlyn don't seem very happy though:
"“We’ve been sold out,” said David Stevens, 46-year-old skipper of the 24.5 metre Crystal Sea twin-rig demersal trawler. “The most galling kick in the teeth for us is the continued access for EU vessels inside the 12-mile limit.
The industry was used as a pawn all the way through - held up as the reason to be leaving - yet they have thrown us under the bus,” said Stevens."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKBN29415G

 

That's why WTO would've been cleaner. Short shock, but utterly immediately free

Hey, you cant have it all

 

So, now Brexit is officially over, now we can start with Brentry

 

Never happen

Eu wont be around in 40 years more like 10-15 yrs
Entry would be no veto powers.
No UK pound, increased payments, loss of fiduciary
loss of legal national powers

Totally unattractive proposition
As the years roll on, UK will be much much happier being free.

 

Wishful thinking!

Back in the real world, the EU is going nowhere, Northern Ireland is still in the customs Union with an effective border in the Irish sea, the Scots have been totally shafted and want out, the only Union that's going to collapse is the UK.

Add to that, all the old farts are dying out with Covid and the kids want back in, rejoining is only a matter of time

 

An organisation that crucifies southern members into crippling debt, with no possible way other than leaving the fiscal union. The next best way would be to default. The debt mountain that the EU has accumulated is unsustainable. Once proud nations will be reduced to ghetto cities as the young use free movement, flood France amd Germany. The Polish, Hungary wont be pushed around by Belgium. The EU will pull down the PIGS first followed by satellite states, leaving just Germany and France. The two countries who created the ponzi scheme.

Scotland is supported by the English as is NI. If the EU try and foook the UK, we can drop kick the deal within a year.. The benefit of time, is the young will realise, with age what a fantastic move the UK made in 2020.

 

The poorer Eu states are becoming better off compared to the richer states , than nearly all other trading blocks - ie the USA and certianly many many solo countries around the world !
Whether the ex communist states would be better off if they hadnt been part of the EU is diffcult to assess

 

No they haven't, gross debt and percentage of debt to GDP has increased, mostly due to Covid like the rest of the world except China. The much heralded Covid recovery fund has not been dispersed for those who need it most. Overall budget has ballooned just as one of the biggest contributors has left. Budget and debt payments will continue to drown the weakest members amd there are many in the EU zone.

 

That’s the last 6 Months !

I do realise you’re wishing Eu on its way

 

No they haven't. Debt has continued to grow from 2019 to 2020. Likely 2021 will continue this ever increasing burden

 

You clearly believe our ratio is going to shoot down over the next 12m

 

Where did I say that?

I know UK debt is dangerously high. With being unshackled from the EU bureaucracy, the UK will make inroads into the debt

 

Well thats the day dream anyway !




meanwhile

https://www.trtworld.com/business/eu...in-world-26570

 

Here's another reality check for you. This is from a friend of mine who moved to Sweden many years ago, and runs a business importing Land Rover Defender parts, selling them throughout Scandinavia:

"Just spoke with Swedish customs, the only goods from the UK that will be free of tariffs are those sourced in the UK. So any goods imported from elsewhere in the world to the UK and then shipped onwards will be subject first to UK tariffs then we will pay a 5% tariff here in the EU to import those parts. On top of that, we previously reported monthly amounts of EU vat but paid nothing. Now we have to pay a freight forwarder to declare every item and their 10 digit codes and there are many codes.
This works both ways so prices will just go up everywhere, and it will delay supplies.
The system has worked so well as EU members for years. This is yet more headache and time wasted."

 

How can any of this be LESS bureaucratic unless

a , youre not doing it , cos someone / some comptuer is doing it for you

b, we end trading with eu

 

It was known, anticipated that some goods would be subject to charges. However the UK voting public wanted to be out of the EU.

Tariffs, costs and inconvenience to be accepted. Well I did. More fool you, if you didn't realise this.

Or tough **** if you're a remainer, stuck in your craw

 

Of course I realised this. Which is one of many reasons why I've never supported this foolish project. Tough sh*t to you too, you wanted hard brexit on WTO rules and ended up with a pathetic deal and a border with NI. You didn't get what you wanted either. Seeing as you're an expert on all this, tell me how exactly this sh*t arrangement is going to improve things for people in the former industrial areas who have been shafted since Thatcher declared war on them, were ignored and patronised by the Blair government, paid the price of bankers irresponsibility through austerity and who voted to leave because people like you told them it was all the EU's fault. Here comes Singapore-on-Thames with a low wage, low aspiration hinterland. No doubt you personally will profit from this, unlike the average family in the Valleys.

 

Awe diddums

Yes I wanted personally a WTO, but a win is win when the ultimate prize was leaving the EU.

First round knockout would have been excellent, but a points win is still a win.

 

I'll ask again: how exactly is this "deal" going to improve things for people in the former industrial areas who have been shafted since Thatcher declared war on them, were ignored and patronised by the Blair government, paid the price of bankers irresponsibility through austerity and who voted to leave because people like you told them it was all the EU's fault?

 

If you repeat a lie often enough people start believing it ( well some people)

thats why lafarge has auditioned for trumps next election bid ...

 

I dont know, never professed this deal would do what you require.

Personally, I​​​​​​I would like significant reduction in immigration. Teach/train british people for the future.

Like, Ive mentioned, British governments are now directly on the hook. They cant hide behind a supranational organisation.


​​​​​​Sovereignty

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The crazy aspect is that he comes across like the poorer country are getting exploited

when what he really cares about is who is 'winning' in the wealth stakes between uk and germany


oh wonderful, was just about order some tyres i cant get here ......


Please note that shipping to Great Britain and Ireland is currently not possible!

 

I require nothing from brexit. I'm retired, it doesn't affect me much personally. But, as unfashionable as it may be, I do care about the prospects of brexit voters in these 'left behind' communities that were promised a whole load of sunny uplands. It was these people that carried the leave vote over the line. They deserve more than a dismissive shrug, don't you think?


Ah, the S word. Something we've had for centuries, never lost in the first place, and have now supposedly regained. An empty slogan, a dog whistle, nothing more. We're all slaves to the system.

 

A lot of the people who voted to leave in poorer areas will be affected more because of not taking the time to understand what leaving a trading union meant, but that is their stupid fault as always ignorance is no excuse.