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05 November 2016, 01:08 PM
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05 November 2016, 01:17 PM
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Bollocks to that; this vote has shown that the electorate cannot be trusted to make decisions. Democracy is an illusion and anyone that thinks otherwise lives in a dreamworld.
05 November 2016, 01:19 PM
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all the UK courts have said is that the UK parliament should be consulted on Brexit / Article 50
I have not heard any MP remain or otherwise say we are not going leave the EU
amazing - we have months of the Brexiteers whinge and whine about the sovereignty of the UK courts and UK parliament
when they get it, they whinge and b1tch
laughable and pathetic
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05 November 2016, 01:29 PM
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The illusion of democracy allows me to voice an opinion, but the reality is the only choice is what is least worse not what is good. The choices we are offered are the ones we are allowed to choose from, not the ones we want or need.
05 November 2016, 02:40 PM
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05 November 2016, 02:53 PM
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Proves my point quite nicely. It's your opinion that the referendum has shown the electorate cannot be trusted. If the outcome had been remain, you would still believe in democracy, because, in your opinion, it would've shown the electorate could be trusted. So, like most of the sore-loser remoaners on this thread, you only believe in democracy when it goes your way. How democratic!
There should never have been a referendum because (as has been proven by the results) most people cant see beyond the end of their own nose. That includes those that would have voted remain but were too lazy too because they thought the result was a forgone conclusion.
So you crack on chuckling and having a gloat with your witty remoaners label, but let's see where we are in a year or in five years.
05 November 2016, 03:06 PM
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Ditto; nonsense is in the eye of the beholder.
The illusion of democracy allows me to voice an opinion, but the reality is the only choice is what is least worse not what is good. The choices we are offered are the ones we are allowed to choose from, not the ones we want or need.
The illusion of democracy allows me to voice an opinion, but the reality is the only choice is what is least worse not what is good. The choices we are offered are the ones we are allowed to choose from, not the ones we want or need.
Missed the point, no surprise given how you voted. What I said was democracy is an illusion and that statement stands regardless of the Brexit vote result.
There should never have been a referendum because (as has been proven by the results) most people cant see beyond the end of their own nose. That includes those that would have voted remain but were too lazy too because they thought the result was a forgone conclusion.
So you crack on chuckling and having a gloat with your witty remoaners label, but let's see where we are in a year or in five years.
There should never have been a referendum because (as has been proven by the results) most people cant see beyond the end of their own nose. That includes those that would have voted remain but were too lazy too because they thought the result was a forgone conclusion.
So you crack on chuckling and having a gloat with your witty remoaners label, but let's see where we are in a year or in five years.
05 November 2016, 03:58 PM
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in other news
the Indian trade minister was on the radio this morning
asked what they would be seeking re any trade deal with the UK (i,e giving UK firms access to the Indian market)
he said - a much higher VISA quota for Indian workers to come to the UK would be near the top of the list
presumably our response and battle cry will be to sit across the negotiating table and shout
"Brexit means Brexit"
lol!!
the Indian trade minister was on the radio this morning
asked what they would be seeking re any trade deal with the UK (i,e giving UK firms access to the Indian market)
he said - a much higher VISA quota for Indian workers to come to the UK would be near the top of the list
presumably our response and battle cry will be to sit across the negotiating table and shout
"Brexit means Brexit"
lol!!
05 November 2016, 04:17 PM
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in other news
the Indian trade minister was on the radio this morning
asked what they would be seeking re any trade deal with the UK (i,e giving UK firms access to the Indian market)
he said - a much higher VISA quota for Indian workers to come to the UK would be near the top of the list
presumably our response and battle cry will be to sit across the negotiating table and shout
"Brexit means Brexit"
lol!!
the Indian trade minister was on the radio this morning
asked what they would be seeking re any trade deal with the UK (i,e giving UK firms access to the Indian market)
he said - a much higher VISA quota for Indian workers to come to the UK would be near the top of the list
presumably our response and battle cry will be to sit across the negotiating table and shout
"Brexit means Brexit"
lol!!
05 November 2016, 04:44 PM
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in other news
the Indian trade minister was on the radio this morning
asked what they would be seeking re any trade deal with the UK (i,e giving UK firms access to the Indian market)
he said - a much higher VISA quota for Indian workers to come to the UK would be near the top of the list
presumably our response and battle cry will be to sit across the negotiating table and shout
"Brexit means Brexit"
lol!!
the Indian trade minister was on the radio this morning
asked what they would be seeking re any trade deal with the UK (i,e giving UK firms access to the Indian market)
he said - a much higher VISA quota for Indian workers to come to the UK would be near the top of the list
presumably our response and battle cry will be to sit across the negotiating table and shout
"Brexit means Brexit"
lol!!
05 November 2016, 05:43 PM
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what you mean a parliamentary democracy (or are you suggesting we have a democracy via referenda)
all the UK courts have said is that the UK parliament should be consulted on Brexit / Article 50
I have not heard any MP remain or otherwise say we are not going leave the EU
amazing - we have months of the Brexiteers whinge and whine about the sovereignty of the UK courts and UK parliament
when they get it, they whinge and b1tch
laughable and pathetic
all the UK courts have said is that the UK parliament should be consulted on Brexit / Article 50
I have not heard any MP remain or otherwise say we are not going leave the EU
amazing - we have months of the Brexiteers whinge and whine about the sovereignty of the UK courts and UK parliament
when they get it, they whinge and b1tch
laughable and pathetic
As Martin partly alluded to, if it's down to parliament to decide, the public referendum is a pointless excercise.
05 November 2016, 06:05 PM
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Ditto; nonsense is in the eye of the beholder.
The illusion of democracy allows me to voice an opinion, but the reality is the only choice is what is least worse not what is good. The choices we are offered are the ones we are allowed to choose from, not the ones we want or need.
The illusion of democracy allows me to voice an opinion, but the reality is the only choice is what is least worse not what is good. The choices we are offered are the ones we are allowed to choose from, not the ones we want or need.
You're constant whining attitude gives you away. Man up and accept it is what it is.
05 November 2016, 06:30 PM
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We have a parliamentary democracy (something that the brexiters seem to have forgotten)
Act of parliaments are required to both grant and remove peoples rights
People need to understand the difference between government and parliament
As martin pointed out it was a binary choice but with hundreds of outcomes
It was a nonsense - if we were going to have one it should have been subject to ratification when we all knew what the final deal was
That's why Cameron will go down as most damaging and disastrous PM in modern history
Brexiters are fantasist and hypocrites, their arguments, if they can muster one that goes beyond "Brexit means Brexit" are based on ignorance are incoherent and use faulty logic
The real reason the government do not want UK parliamentary scrutiny of their plans - is they simply don't have any and are **** scared the public will notice
Witness the new industrial policy for the car industry - secret back room deals
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05 November 2016, 06:36 PM
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Why don't you trawl back through the thread and quote some whining, it'll be fun.
Just because I dont like the result doesn't mean I don't accept it. There is no going back...but I'm not sure why you would think the result would change my opinon and therefore my outlook.
I'm open to suggestions as to how I should man up...hit me up bruv.
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05 November 2016, 08:18 PM
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Proves my point quite nicely. It's your opinion that the referendum has shown the electorate cannot be trusted. If the outcome had been remain, you would still believe in democracy, because, in your opinion, it would've shown the electorate could be trusted. So, like most of the sore-loser remoaners on this thread, you only believe in democracy when it goes your way. How democratic!
05 November 2016, 08:36 PM
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Missed the point, no surprise given how you voted. What I said was democracy is an illusion and that statement stands regardless of the Brexit vote result.
There should never have been a referendum because (as has been proven by the results) most people cant see beyond the end of their own nose. That includes those that would have voted remain but were too lazy too because they thought the result was a forgone conclusion.
So you crack on chuckling and having a gloat with your witty remoaners label, but let's see where we are in a year or in five years.
There should never have been a referendum because (as has been proven by the results) most people cant see beyond the end of their own nose. That includes those that would have voted remain but were too lazy too because they thought the result was a forgone conclusion.
So you crack on chuckling and having a gloat with your witty remoaners label, but let's see where we are in a year or in five years.
You're just another sore loser repeating the same rubbish: we shouldn't have had a referendum... those who voted leave shouldn't be allowed to have a vote... the leave campaign was based on a lie... leave voters are now chuckling and gloating.
Point me to where the leave voters have gloated on this thread since the referendum outcome. I think we've all been very humble given the arrogance of the remainers.
05 November 2016, 10:35 PM
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Anyone interesting in reading the actual posts rather than rants
Page 70 is about June 21 - interesting to re-read the comments
Page 80 and onwards is the June 23 - that's when it gets interesting
I can see unit a lot of crowing from the outers not much moaning from the inner tbh
But then I would probably say that
Anyway it is all there in black and white, as I said fascinating reading
This one is from BMWhere caught my eye (page 70 is think)
"For me, the big problem in the Leave argument is the complete lack of a plan for the future post brexit! Hope and optimism for a better future is all well and good, but blind optimism is suicide"
Page 70 is about June 21 - interesting to re-read the comments
Page 80 and onwards is the June 23 - that's when it gets interesting
I can see unit a lot of crowing from the outers not much moaning from the inner tbh
But then I would probably say that
Anyway it is all there in black and white, as I said fascinating reading
This one is from BMWhere caught my eye (page 70 is think)
"For me, the big problem in the Leave argument is the complete lack of a plan for the future post brexit! Hope and optimism for a better future is all well and good, but blind optimism is suicide"
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06 November 2016, 01:40 AM
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I'm starting to get tired of being called a remoaner.
I most certainly am not, I am 100% committed to the idea that we are leaving and I obviously want us to make the best of this.
What I want is the government to do this lawfully, in good faith, and to be held to account for what they do. This is surely not controversial?
The government is not negotiating on behalf of the 17 million people who voted leave, but for the 60 odd million people who inhabit these isles.
Whatever the final settlement is means less to us than it will for the generations to come, so please enough of the 'let's just get this done now', this is too important for expediency.
I most certainly am not, I am 100% committed to the idea that we are leaving and I obviously want us to make the best of this.
What I want is the government to do this lawfully, in good faith, and to be held to account for what they do. This is surely not controversial?
The government is not negotiating on behalf of the 17 million people who voted leave, but for the 60 odd million people who inhabit these isles.
Whatever the final settlement is means less to us than it will for the generations to come, so please enough of the 'let's just get this done now', this is too important for expediency.
06 November 2016, 01:02 AM
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I'm starting to get tired of being called a remoaner.
I most certainly am not, I am 100% committed to the idea that we are leaving and I obviously want us to make the best of this.
What I want is the government to do this lawfully, in good faith, and to be held to account for what they do. This is surely not controversial?
The government is not negotiating on behalf of the 17 million people who voted leave, but for the 60 odd million people who inhabit these isles.
Whatever the final settlement is means less to us than it will for the generations to come, so please enough of the 'let's just get this done now', this is too important for expediency.
I most certainly am not, I am 100% committed to the idea that we are leaving and I obviously want us to make the best of this.
What I want is the government to do this lawfully, in good faith, and to be held to account for what they do. This is surely not controversial?
The government is not negotiating on behalf of the 17 million people who voted leave, but for the 60 odd million people who inhabit these isles.
Whatever the final settlement is means less to us than it will for the generations to come, so please enough of the 'let's just get this done now', this is too important for expediency.
Well I don't want to leave. I think it's the most stupid decision UK has made for years. dl
06 November 2016, 07:46 AM
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I'm starting to get tired of being called a remoaner.
I most certainly am not, I am 100% committed to the idea that we are leaving and I obviously want us to make the best of this.
What I want is the government to do this lawfully, in good faith, and to be held to account for what they do. This is surely not controversial?
The government is not negotiating on behalf of the 17 million people who voted leave, but for the 60 odd million people who inhabit these isles.
Whatever the final settlement is means less to us than it will for the generations to come, so please enough of the 'let's just get this done now', this is too important for expediency.
I most certainly am not, I am 100% committed to the idea that we are leaving and I obviously want us to make the best of this.
What I want is the government to do this lawfully, in good faith, and to be held to account for what they do. This is surely not controversial?
The government is not negotiating on behalf of the 17 million people who voted leave, but for the 60 odd million people who inhabit these isles.
Whatever the final settlement is means less to us than it will for the generations to come, so please enough of the 'let's just get this done now', this is too important for expediency.
Remember they b1tched and moaned about the extra day the website was going to be kept open for voter registrations - due to a website crash
Because they thought the new voter registrations would negatively effect the result!!!
Remember the accusations of voter fraud - even before voting day
Remember Farage saying if it was close he would keep on fighting keep on b1tching and moaning
Remember the petition to rerun the vote was created by a Brexiteer (oh the irony)
Remember when Farage, during the night when he thought he had lost, said He would campaign for a revote
Remember all the rubbish about Parliamentry democracy and the power/independence of our courts
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06 November 2016, 08:48 AM
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc...roid-orange-gb
So we're back to Free movement of workers after all
So we're back to Free movement of workers after all
06 November 2016, 09:29 AM
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc...roid-orange-gb
So we're back to Free movement of workers after all
So we're back to Free movement of workers after all