dpb

Presumably they've worked through this argument and come to the conclusion we'll be given special dispensation cos , well , we're British

either that or they've spotted the whole union will unravel near future with/without us

hodgy0_2

This is subject of some scientific research actually

When denialist of all flavours (climate change deniers, the ironically named 911 Truthers, evolution deniers and usual conspiracy theorists) are confronted with actual facts

the more facts that you counter their arguements with, the deeper into denial they go

So the upshot is as Jack Clarke pointed out they won't ever realise or let alone admit they where sold a lemon

We had this up thread with the aptly named "on the bog"

He said we could negotiate individual trade deals with EU member countries

When told he his talking out of his ars3 - and is plain wrong

The response is " a bloke at work who I buy magic beans off says you actually can, oh and don't try and google it coz you won't find the source"

Paben

iTrader: (5)

Yet another who can't wait for the UK to implode so they can shout: 'Told you so!' It's bloody appalling that there are so many Brits seemingly looking forward to the collapse of their own country just to prove they were right all along.

neil-h

Yet another typical Brexiter who has reading issues (see I can do stereotypes too)

Once you've gotten off your high horse you'll have to have to explain where I said I wanted to see the Uk implode as quite frankly that's the last thing I want. Simply on the basis I have to live here and as such have to deal with the end results of someone else's ill though out ideas.

Paben

iTrader: (5)

See this is the bit I'm looking forward to most about Brexit, the moment they all realise that it's not going to pan out how they thought.

Your contempt for 'Brexiters' is plain to see, as though your opinion is worthier than theirs and therefore more valid. And if your previous comment is not a gloating desire for a Brexit failure then I don't know what is. And I voted to remain, but I hope it pans out whereas you hope it doesn't.

David Lock

Am I right in thinking that if Obersturmbannführer May invokes Chapter 50 and sends her boys out to negotiate, albeit wearing straightjackets, but they can’t get the Single Market issue resolved there is no way we could back out? Corbyn for one has set the cat among the proverbials by saying his party would not support a deal with no Single Market arrangement and even some Tories might not like the immigration open door policy which seems likely to remain – and the great British public don’t like all these pesky foreigners blocking the isles at Lidls and would rather live in the dark ages when blacks were only good for driving buses. Perhaps better to stay in EU and mull over the immigration business with the EU and devise a sensible way forward? Answers on a postcard.


David

andy97

iTrader: (1)

At least being free from unlimted immigration we can negotiate, unlike now

dpb

isn't that point though . Were v unlikely to be allowed

JackClark

It's not unlimited, there are a limited number of people who want to live here and do jobs we don't want to do. You see a lot of talk from the 'taking my job' lot but I doubt you'll see them picking fruit or wiping up ****.

neil-h

Now go back and read the whole post, complete with the two quotes that actually put it into context. Rather than repeatedly putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with several wrong answers.

andy97

iTrader: (1)

Theoretically 500 million EU citizens can come without anyone having a say. That is in my eyes pretty much unlimited.

dpb

They can come here for a good few years still , and by then why would they .

Still we can top up with those from further a field - who are liable to be much poorer in exchange for selling to their continents

billions of them

hodgy0_2

Agreed

David Lock

There was in illegal on the radio this morning who took the lorry route to UK. Stayed for a few weeks but got so hacked off with life in the UK that he jumped on a lorry and went back to Calais


Could start a trend!!!


David

gary77

iTrader: (1)

Why are almost all the imigrants males ? Im asking here to get a wider view on this.

Im guessing it could be safer for women and children to stay at home .

When the men are all in whichever country the decide are they able to then get the rest of their family into the country ?

Or do they leave their family back home and send money back home ?

Basically what happens to all the women and children in the countries the guys have left .

dpb

You've answered your own questions .
And there are women pregnant ones that travel , you must have seen them

trails

iTrader: (41)

If I have to explain how the majority of leavers reaction to the 'victory' has not been magnanimous then its not worth explaining to you because you simply won't understand.

Geezer

If India's position is anything to go by, the UK is going to have to concede more immigration, not reduce it.

So you may think you'll stop unfettered immigration from the EU, but everyone else is going to want something.

This seems to have passed Leave by (or simply don't care, isolationism is their single goal, at any cost), that all these deals we make post Brexit, they are a two way street, those countries will be out for that is best for them. Ok, we can bully Guyana, but India and China etc, good luck with that!

Turbohot

Yeah.

Labour leader Mr. Corbyn has also changed his tune after decades of his resentment towards the EU; his incongruence on the matter that became one of the major issues for his party members, when he had to face the party leadership re-election.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...early-election

Now he and his party would vote against article 50, if Britain doesn't get access to single market!

I mean, how short-sighted and 'have your cake and eat it' some people can be, eh! In order to gain something, you have to give something. That's the bottom line. Corbyn should have known it better; rather than being stuck in the past, and Brexit mobilising politicians should have also thought long and hard about this 'accessing single market' business. Not enough thought and no plan has put this Brexit-Brexit-Brexit in a state of a limbo. TM is just people pleasing with her 'Brexit means Brexit'; trying to fortify her party's chances in the next election. Hope it all pans out in Britain's best interest. Otherwise, we will see the surge not only in the Indian and Chinese foreigners, but also in the moaners who think that these foreigners will be here to take over Britain. One goes, another one turns up! F***ing hell, man! What kind of strategy is that- to please people, eh?

hodgy0_2

Another interesting thing I read over the weekend was that currently the UK has been a hub for drug companies because the European Medicines Agency, which sets standards across the bloc, is headquartered in Canary Wharf

The Pharma industry is a massive contributor to the UK economy

indeed the India pharma industry is set to grow to 40 Billion by 2020 - and the location of the European Medicines Agency would be an important influencer in any investment decision by India


I believe Spain and Sweden are after housing the Agency

I know the "Brexit means Brexit" mantra is considered cutting edge negotiating tactics by most Brexiters

but could someone tell us if they have any views other than "Brexit means Brexit" on what our negotiating position should be

gary77

iTrader: (1)

Ive not seen them .

When the guys are here can they send for the rest of their family . Or do the women and children stay back home in the dangerous country the guys fled by taking an even more dangerous country.

Also what percent of those guys are likely to be isis followers / sympathisers etc ?

Will we be able to control our borders better or worse once we leave the eu

dpb

We could control borders best if we shut down all airports and ferrys / tunnels straight away

hodgy0_2

your post is about refugees, not EU migration

so slightly a pointless post - we have full control over those refugees - in fact we have our actual border on French soil (although that might be a casualty of Brexit - or certainly used by the French as a bargaining point)

the Brexit voting conservative MP Stephen Phillips actually resigned because we have not even met out meagre commitment to take in lone children

"The friend added that two of the key issues were “their failure to honour their promises on child refugees [and] the decimation of international aid to the poorest and most vulnerable in the world”.

“Brexit is part of it, because they think they can do what the hell they like without asking parliament. But it’s only a small part of it. It’s the fact that he is not a Conservative in this mould,” the friend said."

Turbohot

Very good observation, and yes, exactly.

JTaylor

I'm trying to remove myself from politics, but can't help but feel a little sad at the ignorance and untruths that pepper the broader discussion. It's an omnishambles.

Turbohot

FAO junk food loving Brexiters! :

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/foodanddrin...l&ocid=UE07DHP

Look, what you've done to yourselves! Your Walkers crisps and Bird's Eye fishfingers are going up in price!

Never mind. Go to German Aldi. That should help you with their cheap n' cheerful imitations of such.

Note: I am not saying that all Brexiters are junk food lovers. The ones that are, will be suffering due to the tragic rise in the cost of the aforementioned.

trails

iTrader: (41)

That's quitters talk that it, you remoaners should man up...oh, errrr

Turbohot

On-the-bog

Proper fresh UK produce is where its at

Turbohot

Who's going to pick the potatoes from the UK fields, though? It's hard work for the UK's native people, you know. They put on yellow jackets only once in a blue moon to clean the colony, and get their cheesy picture done with the mayor, for show. If you have to do this sort of job day in and day out, then I'm not too sure.

Perhaps we'll put those Indians to use that turn up here with a mango in one hand and coconut in another.