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21 July 2014, 05:07 PM
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Taylor - You really should reflect on what your new found religion teaches you in relation to the murder of people. Do not be a sinner by ignorance.
Think - What would have Jesus done?
Think - What would have Jesus done?
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21 July 2014, 05:08 PM
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Do you think the UK Government would just stand by and keep asking them to stop.
OK - Maybe I picked the wrong city - What about Manchester
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21 July 2014, 05:18 PM
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I'm sure the UK government would not have started blowing up children on a beach then claim they had rockets stored there either!
21 July 2014, 05:21 PM
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Fair question, Shaid, and something I've grappled with. I'm in work at the moment so can't concentrate on a full and fair answer. Will endeavour to answer after Bible study this evening, in the interim, and this is of course entirely up to you, may I recommend you Google Augustine's writing on just war for one side of the argument and Tolstoy's pacifism for the other.
21 July 2014, 05:28 PM
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The Zionists don't give a flying f@ck about the Palestinians, the rest of the world and right and wrong. They are hell bent on establishing their imperialism in a territory they begged, borrowed and stole over decades. Israel is one the largest military powers on the planet backed by the US. Anyone who questions it is accused of anti semitism. Orthodox Jews who oppose Israel/Zionism are accused of self loathing. The Zionist is a cunning animal who will twist history and use whatever means to further his/her cause.
21 July 2014, 07:20 PM
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21 July 2014, 07:24 PM
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21 July 2014, 08:06 PM
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21 July 2014, 08:07 PM
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not the same Brazilian electrician that decided trying to out run armed police was a bright idea? Although I could be confused with someone else, but that's a different thread.
21 July 2014, 08:23 PM
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21 July 2014, 08:33 PM
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From Wiki page;
Menezes entered the Tube station at about 10:00am, stopping to pick up a free newspaper. He used his Oyster card to pay the fare, walked through the barriers, and descended the escalator slowly. He then ran across the platform to board the newly arrived train. Menezes boarded the train and found one of the first available seats.
Three surveillance officers, codenamed Hotel 1, Hotel 3 and Hotel 9, followed Menezes onto the train. According to Hotel 3, Menezes sat down with a glass panel to his right about two seats in. Hotel 3 then took a seat on the left with about two or three passengers between Menezes and himself. When the firearms officers arrived on the platform, Hotel 3 moved to the door, blocked it from closing with his left foot, and shouted 'He's here!' to identify the suspect's location.
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The firearms officers boarded the train and it was initially claimed they challenged the suspect, though later reports indicate he was not challenged.[12] According to Hotel 3, Menezes then stood up and advanced towards the officers and Hotel 3, at which point Hotel 3 grabbed him, pinned his arms against his torso, and pushed him back into the seat. Although Menezes was being restrained, his body was straight and not in a natural sitting position. Hotel 3 heard a shot close to his ear, and was dragged away onto the floor of the carriage. He shouted 'Police!' and with hands raised was dragged out of the carriage by one of the armed officers who had boarded the train. Hotel 3 then heard several gunshots while being dragged out.[13]
Two officers fired a total of eleven shots according to the number of empty shell casings found on the floor of the train afterwards. Menezes was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder at close range, and died at the scene. An eyewitness later said that the eleven shots were fired over a thirty second period, at three second intervals.[14] A separate witness reported hearing five shots, followed at an interval by several more shots.[15]
21 July 2014, 08:34 PM
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21 July 2014, 08:36 PM
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Israel is a tiny country, and they pulled out of Gaza and three massive settlements in the West Bank in 2005. For a supposed imperialist land grabbing nation it is only about as big as Wales! Can you understand now why withdrawal from some areas might be dangerous, given its enemies?
21 July 2014, 09:29 PM
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Instrument of the Irish establishment were implicated in carrying out bombings
In the 70's and 80's the UK was under a very real and sustained bombing campaign killing over 1000 people - all with logistical and intellectual support coming from Ireland
So what exactly is your point
21 July 2014, 09:55 PM
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Is there such a thing as objective morality? If there is and we can know right from wrong (good from evil) then we can determine who is a terrorist and who is a freedom fighter. The real question is should a man professing to be a sincere Christian (as Mandela did) engage in violent means to achieve a goal, irrespective of whether that goal is just or not?
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According to Matthew 26:52, and the kind of Christian pacifism espoused by the likes of Tolstoy in The Kingdom of God is Within You, violence is never the answer. It was this work that heavily influenced Gandhi's thinking and his tactics showed that non-violence can achieve spectacular results. Likewise, Martin Luther King (also massively influenced by Tolstoy) had a greater victory through peaceful protest than say Malcolm X with his "by any means necessary" policy.
I imagine Mandela agonised over this. Perhaps he decided to risk his relationship with God in the knowledge that in those circumstances at that time the only answer was to resist evil through political violence. It's interesting that later in life he reverted to a strategy of peace, forgiveness and reconciliation and that it was this that gave him his biggest victory.
I imagine Mandela agonised over this. Perhaps he decided to risk his relationship with God in the knowledge that in those circumstances at that time the only answer was to resist evil through political violence. It's interesting that later in life he reverted to a strategy of peace, forgiveness and reconciliation and that it was this that gave him his biggest victory.
22 July 2014, 03:05 AM
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The Irish government gave tacit support to the IRA, and the Irish police helped the IRA smuggle guns and bombs into northern Ireland
Instrument of the Irish establishment were implicated in carrying out bombings
In the 70's and 80's the UK was under a very real and sustained bombing campaign killing over 1000 people - all with logistical and intellectual support coming from Ireland
So what exactly is your point
Instrument of the Irish establishment were implicated in carrying out bombings
In the 70's and 80's the UK was under a very real and sustained bombing campaign killing over 1000 people - all with logistical and intellectual support coming from Ireland
So what exactly is your point