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Old 16 July 2014, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jasey
From BBC;
"Israel has resumed its air strikes on Gaza after its brief ceasefire was met with continuing rocket fire.

Israel had earlier accepted an Egyptian truce proposal for the conflict and stopped operations on Tuesday morning.

However, the armed wing of Hamas, which controls Gaza, rejected the initiative as a "surrender".

Palestinian officials say at least 192 people have been killed by Israeli air strikes launched eight days ago to stop militants firing rockets into Israel."

This Hamas lot really aren't that bright.
'Don't poke the bear' is good advice.
Old 17 July 2014, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by dpb
The Israeli must be pretty stupid as well,

They're not wining hearts and minds




- i guess the top man's position is under threat
You don't need hearts and minds when you have absolute military supremacy. They were saying on the news earlier that in the last 9 days 200 Palestinians have died compared to 1 Israeli. They don't need t0 win over the people, they just need Hamas to realise they can't win.
Old 17 July 2014, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by dpb
The Israeli must be pretty stupid as well,

They're not wining hearts and minds

- i guess the top man's position is under threat
Much like the Russians I suspect your average Israeli couldn't give a **** what the rest of the world thinks. They feel they are under attack from (as Mattee said) a democratically elected State - so therefor a State of war exists between the two.

All this middle east pish is really going to bite everyone in the **** if someone doesn't get a grip of it - and I suspect it will be the long suffering civilians (everywhere) that will pay the heaviest price.
Old 17 July 2014, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Suresh
'Don't poke the bear' is good advice.
Especially after it's bitten you several times
Old 17 July 2014, 08:48 AM
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But given they're 3 miles away ( and all the most sophisticated weaponry available) there's no excuse whatsoever for hitting those civilians on the beach

It's just going to stoke up more trouble. , which presumably is the intention
Old 17 July 2014, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
You don't need hearts and minds when you have absolute military supremacy and the unequivocal backing of the USA no matter what you do.
EFA

Originally Posted by neil-h
They were saying on the news earlier that in the last 9 days 200 Palestinians have died compared to 1 Israeli. They don't need t0 win over the people, they just need Hamas to realise they can't win.
The only trouble is that there are a few in the Israeli administration that remember the line trotted out by one of their own a few years ago which was basically to say a Jewish life is worth that of a thousand Arabs... so 800 to go then
Old 17 July 2014, 09:51 AM
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So because the Israelis have far more military might, they are fine to occupy a territory and kill it's local population?

I've always hated bullies - this is the ultimate example.

I'd love to see the sods get their backsides kicked hard TBH.
Old 17 July 2014, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
So because the Israelis have far more military might, they are fine to occupy a territory and kill it's local population?

I've always hated bullies - this is the ultimate example.

I'd love to see the sods get their backsides kicked hard TBH.
We had this debate a few years ago and the consensus from the NSR massive was "might has right" which is why no one is bothered about Russia's behaviour over Ukraine.... oh hang on
Old 17 July 2014, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
We had this debate a few years ago and the consensus from the NSR massive was "might has right" which is why no one is bothered about Russia's behaviour over Ukraine.... oh hang on
indeed quite correct F1 - that's what it came down too

what I find so distressing is the concept of "collective punishment" the Israelis use

it has been used before, funnily enough against the Jews
Old 17 July 2014, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
what I find so distressing is the concept of "collective punishment" the Israelis use

it has been used before, funnily enough against the Jews
Yes that irony is not lost on me either. Sadly it is completely lost on the Israeli administration.
Old 17 July 2014, 11:37 AM
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In Israel's case, right has might.
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And plenty coffers
Old 17 July 2014, 02:52 PM
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This will not be stopping anytime soon.

I would love to know where all the aid that has been sent to the Palestinians has gone!
Old 20 July 2014, 10:16 PM
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How is it isrealii can get into Gaza at all on the ground
Old 20 July 2014, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
How is it isrealii can get into Gaza at all on the ground
Old 20 July 2014, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
How is it isrealii can get into Gaza at all on the ground
Hamas may endeavour to prolong their occupation of Gaza with human shields, but as jasey's picture shows, right has might.
Old 20 July 2014, 10:35 PM
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They could be anywhere and everywhere!
Old 20 July 2014, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaid
I genuinely blame religion and politics.

I honestly do. Without it those people would be able to live as friends.

Islam and Judaism are sooo close it's a shame they are always fighting.

http://www.judaism-islam.com/similar...ism-and-islam/

This is one of the reasons why i find groups like the Taliban/ISIS full of BS. Surely they should be going for Israel right now. If they did they would gain a lot of support (hmmm.... i wonder who is funding ISIS for them not to do so.... tin-hat).

religion is the basis of all evil

so stupid really

how many children had they lives ruined over this??? pointless
Old 20 July 2014, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by LUCKO
religion is the basis of all evil

so stupid really

how many children had they lives ruined over this??? pointless
I would't say all evil. Mankind is the basis of that which has been proven over and over again. However, there is no denying that religion seriously helps in the way of evil. Ironic eh....
Old 20 July 2014, 11:41 PM
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yes its fubar

how can you hate someone so much that you want them dead because this person believes something different to you?
Old 20 July 2014, 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by LUCKO
yes its fubar

how can you hate someone so much that you want them dead because this person believes something different to you?
It's a very complex frame of mind that is way too complicated for me to even explain. Many folk feel this way over something as simple as religious belief, nationalism, colour of skin, ethnicity, prejudices.... the list is endless. However when hate is allowed to manifest and when hate gets to use platforms of free speech then that hate can turn far nastier than simply words.
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true dude so true

its a mad mad world
Old 21 July 2014, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Hamas may endeavour to prolong their occupation of Gaza with human shields, but as jasey's picture shows, right has might.
You are a vicious cvnt
Old 21 July 2014, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
indeed quite correct F1 - that's what it came down too

what I find so distressing is the concept of "collective punishment" the Israelis use

it has been used before, funnily enough against the Jews
Why the quotes around collective punishment?
Old 21 July 2014, 07:33 AM
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See post above TDW
Old 21 July 2014, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
So because the Israelis have far more military might, they are fine to occupy a territory and kill it's local population?

I've always hated bullies - this is the ultimate example.

I'd love to see the sods get their backsides kicked hard TBH.
Gaza isn't occupied Matt (or at least wasn't until this offensive). The first thing Gazan did when Israel pulled out in 2005 was elect Hamas, and ever since then they have been firing rockets frequently and regularly, plus the odd kidnapp and cross border raid, etc.

Israel aren't doing anything that we wouldn't do in the same situation, and their institutions are not very different than ours or any other western nation. We'd do the same thing, and we have, we've done worse in the past, such is the price of security.

Hamas are a useless government and they brought this on their own people through their need to play the macho hero.
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You can change any borders, with enough firepower

That's presumably what you're saying
Old 21 July 2014, 04:25 PM
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Borders, water supply, electric.....
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Gaza isn't occupied Matt (or at least wasn't until this offensive). The first thing Gazan did when Israel pulled out in 2005 was elect Hamas, and ever since then they have been firing rockets frequently and regularly, plus the odd kidnapp and cross border raid, etc.

Israel aren't doing anything that we wouldn't do in the same situation, and their institutions are not very different than ours or any other western nation. We'd do the same thing, and we have, we've done worse in the past, such is the price of security.

Hamas are a useless government and they brought this on their own people through their need to play the macho hero.
It is. By Islamists...
Old 21 July 2014, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Gaza isn't occupied Matt (or at least wasn't until this offensive). The first thing Gazan did when Israel pulled out in 2005 was elect Hamas, and ever since then they have been firing rockets frequently and regularly, plus the odd kidnapp and cross border raid, etc.

Israel aren't doing anything that we wouldn't do in the same situation, and their institutions are not very different than ours or any other western nation. We'd do the same thing, and we have, we've done worse in the past, such is the price of security.

Hamas are a useless government and they brought this on their own people through their need to play the macho hero.
Israel is the victim.
On this basis, the following should now take place:
1) Britain, USA and Russia to apologise to Germany for being so violent during WWII.
2) Insects to pay compensation to cover the cost of cleaning smeared car windscreens.
3) Native Americans to say sorry for getting in the way of European colonisation of the Americas, and will seek somewhere else to live.
4) Abused children to admit they instigated priests into raping them.
5) Dodos to sign statement admitting their "extinction" was just a plot to make European hunters look bad.


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