A bit like Christianity is occupied by Peado's right?

 

Peado's right what?

 

Leg?

 

Arm?

 

Taylor - You really should reflect on what your new found religion teaches you in relation to the murder of people. Do not be a sinner by ignorance.

Think - What would have Jesus done?

 

Excatly - what if the IRA were elected into power in Eire and started firing rockets into Liverpool.

Do you think the UK Government would just stand by and keep asking them to stop.

OK - Maybe I picked the wrong city - What about Manchester .

 

I'm sure the UK government would not have started blowing up children on a beach then claim they had rockets stored there either!

 

Like "Islamists" have suddenly appeared in the last 15 years

 

Fair question, Shaid, and something I've grappled with. I'm in work at the moment so can't concentrate on a full and fair answer. Will endeavour to answer after Bible study this evening, in the interim, and this is of course entirely up to you, may I recommend you Google Augustine's writing on just war for one side of the argument and Tolstoy's pacifism for the other.

 

The Zionists don't give a flying f@ck about the Palestinians, the rest of the world and right and wrong. They are hell bent on establishing their imperialism in a territory they begged, borrowed and stole over decades. Israel is one the largest military powers on the planet backed by the US. Anyone who questions it is accused of anti semitism. Orthodox Jews who oppose Israel/Zionism are accused of self loathing. The Zionist is a cunning animal who will twist history and use whatever means to further his/her cause.

 

 

A bit of history about the region.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html

 

"They" shot a Brazillian electrician 8 times in the head for trying to catch a ******* train !

 

You are demonising Jews. Zionism is just about a Jewish homeland, something other ethnic groups aren't to be denied.

 

Yes you're quite right, other ethic groups get restricted to reserves
These guys have a wholecountry ~ with ever expanding borders

 

No I'm not, I'm demonising Zionists. There is a distinction between a Zionist and a Jew. The two are mutually exclusive. The videos I've posted above are all of Jewish people but not Zionists.

 

Yep..... After all I hear Bib Laden only wanted a new cave after all.

 

not the same Brazilian electrician that decided trying to out run armed police was a bright idea? Although I could be confused with someone else, but that's a different thread.

 

Israel is a tiny country, and they pulled out of Gaza and three massive settlements in the West Bank in 2005. For a supposed imperialist land grabbing nation it is only about as big as Wales! Can you understand now why withdrawal from some areas might be dangerous, given its enemies?

 

Those two sentences are incoherent together.

 

Pretty sure it has been proved that no warning was given to the ex-electrician and he wasn't running away from anyone.

From Wiki page;

Menezes entered the Tube station at about 10:00am, stopping to pick up a free newspaper. He used his Oyster card to pay the fare, walked through the barriers, and descended the escalator slowly. He then ran across the platform to board the newly arrived train. Menezes boarded the train and found one of the first available seats.

Three surveillance officers, codenamed Hotel 1, Hotel 3 and Hotel 9, followed Menezes onto the train. According to Hotel 3, Menezes sat down with a glass panel to his right about two seats in. Hotel 3 then took a seat on the left with about two or three passengers between Menezes and himself. When the firearms officers arrived on the platform, Hotel 3 moved to the door, blocked it from closing with his left foot, and shouted 'He's here!' to identify the suspect's location.

Shooting[edit]
The firearms officers boarded the train and it was initially claimed they challenged the suspect, though later reports indicate he was not challenged.[12] According to Hotel 3, Menezes then stood up and advanced towards the officers and Hotel 3, at which point Hotel 3 grabbed him, pinned his arms against his torso, and pushed him back into the seat. Although Menezes was being restrained, his body was straight and not in a natural sitting position. Hotel 3 heard a shot close to his ear, and was dragged away onto the floor of the carriage. He shouted 'Police!' and with hands raised was dragged out of the carriage by one of the armed officers who had boarded the train. Hotel 3 then heard several gunshots while being dragged out.[13]

Two officers fired a total of eleven shots according to the number of empty shell casings found on the floor of the train afterwards. Menezes was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder at close range, and died at the scene. An eyewitness later said that the eleven shots were fired over a thirty second period, at three second intervals.[14] A separate witness reported hearing five shots, followed at an interval by several more shots.[15]

 

Orthodox Jews eschew Zionism.

http://www.nkusa.org/aboutus/zionism/opposition.cfm

 

Sure thats you Joe in the middle looking at the camera, whilst watching Palestine being bombed

 

ummmm............No.

 

Triple post

 

The Irish government gave tacit support to the IRA, and the Irish police helped the IRA smuggle guns and bombs into northern Ireland

Instrument of the Irish establishment were implicated in carrying out bombings

In the 70's and 80's the UK was under a very real and sustained bombing campaign killing over 1000 people - all with logistical and intellectual support coming from Ireland

So what exactly is your point

 

Dp

 

First, as I alluded to in my previous post, I've grappled with this previously and expressed this publicly in the Nelson Mandela thread:

https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=93

Swati asked me to expand on that question and I did so:

https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=117

So I guess my instinct as a Christian is non-violence and that is what Christ taught and would teach. However, the Jews aren't Christians and they are concerned with their earthly life and how that is threatened by the Islamists. I don't see this in terms of Jews versus Muslims, I see this as a modern liberal democracy versus the retrograde death cult of Hamas. As a political animal and a pragmatist and given the choice, and it is about taking sides, I wish to see the maintenance of the Israeli state and the extirpation of the Islamists. As a Christian the best I can do is pray that God's will be done and only He knows what that is.

 

The Irish government might have been accused of not doing enough during the troubles but tatic support? No. As for ad hoc support from the 'Irish establishment'? So what? We've got Muslim trojan horses and paedo rings, doesn't mean the state has implemented those as policy. Financial support came from the US, and rogue countries like Libya supplied arms, training, etc., also PLO etc.

 

No what? You have no facts?