Martin2005

So actually what the London vote shows is that BRITS who live in an ethnically diverse, modern, dynamic, economically successful and multicultural society, largely voted against the UKIP vision of Britain.

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

no all it serves to prove is that , IN CERTAIN AREA'S ENGLISH WHITE PEOPLE ARE THE MINORITY. you can't expect people to vote for people who would send them home, given half a chance

Martin2005

Brilliant analysis as usual – only problem is that the people who would ‘be sent home’ can’t vote in our elections!

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

ok i will re word it just for you,
they wouldn't vote for people who want to remove the right to have all thier friend's over for a party at our expence

Carnut

O.k I've just had another look at my post and have seen my mistake. I made reference to white British then said the majority of London are not British. I should of said the majority of London is non WHITE British.

The thing is though, I believe you know what I was saying and this is not really relevant to the point that I was making. The majority of London is NOT white British and this has an effect on political results .

This is what the BBC said, they may have worded it a little better than I have but the end point is the same.

Martin please don't start to rip my post to bits so you can get a kick from trying to belittle or embarrass me . Why don't you try to engage your self in the debate rather than nitpicking at others posts?

NO ONE LIKES A SMART ****.

Martin2005

When you say ‘reword for me’ did you really mean to completely change your point – btw, to something even more absurd!

Martin2005

Chris – if you post up something as ‘fact’, that isn’t even close to being a true, then it’s hardly knit picking is it? I’m not trying to embarrass anyone; I’m trying to make sure this debate is about fact not myth

Carnut

I missed out the word white twice, I wasn't claiming it to be fact just something I saw on the BBC vote 2014 . I am not as good/literate as some but I think you know what I was saying.
But thank you non the less for trying to make sure the debate is about fact not myth, where would we be with out you.

dpb

Did he not read my post bout Doncaster..?

If you're reaching for colour division and people not ethnically white Caucasian, I think you'll find 2nd and 3rd. Generation British adoptees are just as if not more keen to choke off immigration, from everywhere

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

BTW where have UKIP stated as policy they want to send home British people of ethnic origin? Or is this going to become another piece of SN NSR folklore?

Carnut

Just for you martin, the edited version. Please feel free to continue helping me get things right, I don't know where I would be without you.

dpb

So those that are not eligible to vote are forcing voters to do what the say.

Dingdongler

Ukip are going to launch their general election manifesto in Doncaster ie Millipede's constituency.

This is going to be a very interesting election no matter what the result. As I'm quite right of centre I actually identify with some of ukip's ideology. My biggest issue with ukip is whether people like me who are actually right of centre will vote for them and then allow Labour in by the back door.

Martin2005

The Tories just need a poster with a gurning Milliband on the steps on No.10. With the line - 'vote UKIP - Get HIM'!

Should do the trick

DYK

People should stop p1ssing about on voting,either vote con,lab,or ukip,not say well I voting ukip this time,but come the general election,I going to go back voting con,make a choice and go with it..
Stop being insecure ..p1ssesme off
Its like saying I going to support man utd when they play good,and support man cty,when utd play bad..stop ******* about

neil-h

And this kids is why the rise of UKIP is entertaining

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

It's fun watching the 'leaders' of the two main parties and that minority soon to be wiped out party squirming over UKIP

Party leaders respond to UKIP and rise of anti EU sentiment

Cameron especially seems to have come up with a whole new rhetoric overnight, I wonder why?

Carnut

^^^

I feel embarrassed for them sometimes, I want to look away when it gets really bad but find their lies and fake approach trying to connect with us mesmerizing. Have you seen how bellend sorry millipede uses his hands to try an engage with us.. I can see him know having is lessons. Push your hands out then when you get to your big moment bring them back in as if your bring the electors back in with you. And don't forget, pause just before the big moment, and then deliver your wining line while you thrust your fist in the air and just wait for your applause. Clegg does this as well, they must think were stupid, well I suppose those who vote for them are.

To try and save this post from nothing more than a rant I would like to ask a question. How many think that when people originally voted to be in the EU they thought it would be like this? I've seen a few of the original voters in TV interviews recently saying how this is not what they voted for, they voted for fair trade agreements and that's about it.

Please don't ask for the facts Martin its just how I saw it on TV, I could be wrong.

Ha, just turned the channel to 4 for the news and their talking about how the three main party talk to people. THIS IS A MUST SEE.

neil-h

DYK

Its the unelected power hungry morons who are destroying a European Union.i actually don't think its a bad idea,if done properly.If that makes sense.
They are trying to bring all these countries together,different cultures and ways of living etc,and saying it's my way or the highway.

RA Dunk

Surprising how quick they all are too blame the EU for the rise of UKIP though, nothing to do with their own failings though is it?

Cameron on about Brussells being to big and bossy, he's the ******* PM it's his job to stand up to them the tosspot!

Martin2005

To answer your question I would say that not very many voted for a political union.
The EU has evolved into what it is today without any real democratic consent from the populus. This is why I support us having a referendum.
For me the big question is not what the EU is today, but what it could be?
If I thought that it would not change for the better I would vote for us to leave. On the other hand, I genuinely believe in the principle of collaboration and pooled ecomomic and political strength, especially in our changing and increasingly globabised economic environment.
This question should not be left in the hands of the idologues, it has to be a pragmatic answer to the question of, what is in the best long-term interest of the UK

Carnut

Its interesting to see how the Tory's for example are changing their tune. Cameron has been saying today that we need to get back to the basics and not let the EU be so controlling.

Dingdongler

To be fair he isn't changing his tune he has said that for years. The problem is he hasn't actually done anything about it.

warrenm2

This shows a fundamental ignorance of the history of the EU and the motives of its founder Monnet.

The EU project was all about building a United States of Europe, with "ever closer Union" (stated in the Treaty of Rome) and the abolition of the nation states. What you see today is the progress of that project, anything else is just window dressing. Its why the Euro disaster is continued being supported, its why Barrasso is proposing greater fiscal union for (Euro) member states, its why the Ukraine was courted, its why the foreign service under Ashton was set up, its why the Euro army and police force are being set up.

All the claptrap you hear from the EU apologists is merely emperors new clothes drivel to get you to accept the removal of your sovereignty step by step to the EU. Luckily people are waking up to this at last.

See for more info

DYK

I'm aware that they are wanting head towards a one European army etc..

ScoobyWon't

It's nice to see the EU is listening to the dissatisfaction of the people. They've already seen the error of their ways and are ready to change.

And our first example of how the EU is to reconnect with the feelings of the people, and allay the thoughts of the EU not listening is here:

EC asks Britain for another £500m

"We've heard the message from the electorate and ignored it as usual"

Carnut

RA Dunk

It's time we put as much space between the UK and the EU as possible TBH.