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Old 21 January 2011, 07:50 PM
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Hi all,

I am looking for some step by step help regarding my brakes.

I am just about to fit 4pot fronts and 2pot rears and Hel brake hoses to my classic. I have changed disks and pads before but I have never bleed and refilled a system before.

Can anyone talk me through, firstly emptying the system then refilling them system once I have fitted the new calipers, disks, pads and hoses

Any help would be greatly appricated people
Old 21 January 2011, 07:58 PM
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just do it the old skool way. you can do it like i do at my garage via a suction pump, but just get a freind in the car, drain the system and refill, while your freind pushes the pedel to the floor you undo the bleed nipple on one caliper at a time, the rest should be locked up. then locking it up and tell your freind to take his foot of the brake peddle, keep repeating this. fronts first then backs untill all air is out the system and the brake peddle is firm
Old 21 January 2011, 08:22 PM
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Just so i get this right.

first off loosen the bleed nipple on one of the fronts, press the brake pedle, tighten nipple then repeat. Do this til clear.

Then do this on the other front, then moving to the rear.

Remove all old brakes and replace with new

then fill up the res, open a front bleed nipple and press then brake and close the valve when the fluid comes through

then repeat with the other front then the rears

is this correct?
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sorry m8 but i think he means drain the system first, fit your new brakes tighten all the nips up then refill with fluid then


get a freind in the car, while your freind pushes the pedel to the floor you undo the bleed nipple on one caliper at a time, the rest should be locked up. then locking it up and tell your freind to take his foot of the brake peddle, keep repeating this. fronts first then backs untill all air is out the system and the brake peddle is firm

im sure thats what he means
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i did miss that you may need to keep the nips open after you have fitted your new tackle when adding the fluid when the new fluid starts coming out of her nips tighten them up then do the bleeding :-)
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thought your ment to start at the caliper furthest away from the brake master cylinder so start at passengers rear first then drivers side rear or is this just a internet mith
Old 21 January 2011, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 200sex
thought your ment to start at the caliper furthest away from the brake master cylinder so start at passengers rear first then drivers side rear or is this just a internet mith
thats what it do but i dont think it makes much difference
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Originally Posted by 200sex
thought your ment to start at the caliper furthest away from the brake master cylinder so start at passengers rear first then drivers side rear or is this just a internet mith
it defo doesnt make no difference. fronts and backs are normally on seperate lines

yes sorry for not being clear. obviously the first thing to do is replace calipers all round (disc's pads whatever your doing)

then the bleeding process any help needed just PM me
Old 22 January 2011, 10:36 AM
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It is worth investing in some brake bleeding hoses as these have non return valves on them and makes the job a bit easier.
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If you are filling and bleeding a system with ABS then you are better investing £25 in a Gunson Eezibleed kit to pressurise the reservoir as you may find the fluid will not flow through the ABS modulator unless it is under pressure. It also makes the whole process a one-man job which is an added bonus.

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Originally Posted by c_maguire
If you are filling and bleeding a system with ABS then you are better investing £25 in a Gunson Eezibleed kit to pressurise the reservoir as you may find the fluid will not flow through the ABS modulator unless it is under pressure. It also makes the whole process a one-man job which is an added bonus.

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I did'nt think there was a cap in the eazybleed kit to fit a Scoob?
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Originally Posted by Wagon Gaz
I did'nt think there was a cap in the eazybleed kit to fit a Scoob?
Correct - they don't fit.

Wish they would fit as I have a kit in the shed and it was great when I used it on my old golf.

I keep thinking of fabricating something to fit but have never got round to it - any ideas?
Old 23 January 2011, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by C8 DHC 04WRX
Correct - they don't fit.

Wish they would fit as I have a kit in the shed and it was great when I used it on my old golf.

I keep thinking of fabricating something to fit but have never got round to it - any ideas?
drill an old cap maybe.....
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Originally Posted by maydew
drill an old cap maybe.....
That's a possibility suggested in some guides and then buy a new cap for the car. I haven't used it on a Subaru so you are probably right about the cap, although they do supply an additional kit with a larger variety of caps. Just done my Berlingo van and this was not possible without pressurising the system (might work with a vacuum kit but I don't have one to try).
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Originally Posted by maydew
drill an old cap maybe.....
Tryed that, and it doesn't work. As soon as you pressurise up the easi bleed the cap starts leaking!!

Think they only really work on cars with proper screw cap resevoirs!
Old 24 January 2011, 01:55 PM
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I couldn't remember what the cap was like on my car but now you've reminded me. That is a problem for a pressure bleeder.

It is an absolutely crap style of reservoir cap isn't it?
Vacuum bleeder might be the order of the day then.
Old 24 January 2011, 08:50 PM
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I've tried an eazibleed, vacuum system and in both cases ended up back with the traditional 2 person method.
Always been interested how other owners bled their brakes, as I've never been that convinced by the results I've had.
Old 25 January 2011, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by c_maguire
That's a possibility suggested in some guides and then buy a new cap for the car. I haven't used it on a Subaru so you are probably right about the cap, although they do supply an additional kit with a larger variety of caps. Just done my Berlingo van and this was not possible without pressurising the system (might work with a vacuum kit but I don't have one to try).
On a newage the cap does not seal so as I found out when I bought a cap fitted to my eazi bleed and tried to bleed the brakes. Ten minutes with a steam cleaner and detergent to make sure I got rid of all the brake fluid. I got a universal cap that sits on the reservoir and has a rubber strap to secure it. I have not used it yet.
Just for info the brakes of a car are diagonally split not split front and rear. There is no need to remove the old brake fluid prior to replacing the calipers. As previously commented there can be issues with the ABS system if emptied of brake fluid.
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I have tried loads of types of easy bleeds , and have never found one to work better than bleeding the system by pumping the brake pedal , we always do it the good old fashion way

Cheers Ian
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we use a vacuum pump in the w/shop which is perfect but hardly DIY option as think it was around £100.....

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Originally Posted by Ian Godney
I have tried loads of types of easy bleeds , and have never found one to work better than bleeding the system by pumping the brake pedal , we always do it the good old fashion way

Cheers Ian
Me too, although I used to have a little rubber tubing that made it a one man job, it had a non-return valve in it so that you could press and release without sucking air in. Sadly it went brittle.
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