Bluestuff or DS2500 pad feedback - Talk Ta Me
29 December 2010, 06:46 PM
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Bluestuff or DS2500 pad feedback - Talk Ta Me
I'm going to change my current Yellow Stuff pads so looking to change to the new Bluestuff pads or DS2500's.
I need honest feedback from owners on here who have the following.
Newage STi (so with 4 pot Gold Brembos)
Car power anything around 380 - 460 bhp
Fast road use and track use
Brembo OEM or After market Brembo Sports discs
How does the pads hold out? Any fade? Cold bite ? Do they feel better than say like my current Yellow Stuff pads? How much of a difference did you notice if any at all?
How much did you pay for a full set and where?
A lot to ask I know but seems to be a lot of feedback but from people in Classics or WRX's running a lot less power than myself (not sounding off-ish or big headed just need a real idea of similar set ups to go with thats all).
Cheers
Steve
I need honest feedback from owners on here who have the following.
Newage STi (so with 4 pot Gold Brembos)
Car power anything around 380 - 460 bhp
Fast road use and track use
Brembo OEM or After market Brembo Sports discs
How does the pads hold out? Any fade? Cold bite ? Do they feel better than say like my current Yellow Stuff pads? How much of a difference did you notice if any at all?
How much did you pay for a full set and where?
A lot to ask I know but seems to be a lot of feedback but from people in Classics or WRX's running a lot less power than myself (not sounding off-ish or big headed just need a real idea of similar set ups to go with thats all).
Cheers
Steve
29 December 2010, 07:18 PM
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Cool stuff matey. Thanks for the advice.
Have heard something liek that before with regards the UK legal side of things for some pads on the road etc.
Steve
Have heard something liek that before with regards the UK legal side of things for some pads on the road etc.
Steve
29 December 2010, 07:29 PM
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I know my feedback is outside of what you are asking but..... here it is 
On a newage with standard Brembo discs and Gold Brembo callipers I had Mintex M1155 which were pretty good at almost everything I could ask of them on the road, however a few high speed stops back to back had them in trouble going all wooden > this was with good fresh brake fluid.
On my 6 pot APs I am running DS2500's, other than the hardest track abuse these stand up to everything you ask of them, to such an extent I managed to change the colour of my painted wheels with the heat they were producing (on track) quite astonishing that they are so good day to day and can also work at such extreme hot temperatures
In my opinion the DS2500 pads are better than the standard discs & callipers, I have never tried the blue or yelow stuff pads for comparison.
Lee.
On a newage with standard Brembo discs and Gold Brembo callipers I had Mintex M1155 which were pretty good at almost everything I could ask of them on the road, however a few high speed stops back to back had them in trouble going all wooden > this was with good fresh brake fluid.
On my 6 pot APs I am running DS2500's, other than the hardest track abuse these stand up to everything you ask of them, to such an extent I managed to change the colour of my painted wheels with the heat they were producing (on track) quite astonishing that they are so good day to day and can also work at such extreme hot temperatures
In my opinion the DS2500 pads are better than the standard discs & callipers, I have never tried the blue or yelow stuff pads for comparison.
Lee.
29 December 2010, 07:58 PM
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Technically ANY good performance pad is not legal to use after Brussels has started meddling around !
Having tried both types extensively , I would say the Bluestuff pads are better , they are very good popping down the shops , or tanking around a track.
My son has them in his 400hp EVO and cannot fade them on the road or on track days , its stops very well
I can supply you them and are available to buy online or over the phone , we are shipping tomorrow for a friday delivery if you need them asap
http://www.godspeedbrakes.co.uk/~god...d_category=140
Cheers Ian
Much love
Having tried both types extensively , I would say the Bluestuff pads are better , they are very good popping down the shops , or tanking around a track.
My son has them in his 400hp EVO and cannot fade them on the road or on track days , its stops very well
I can supply you them and are available to buy online or over the phone , we are shipping tomorrow for a friday delivery if you need them asap
http://www.godspeedbrakes.co.uk/~god...d_category=140
Cheers Ian
Much love
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30 December 2010, 08:02 PM
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in an STi i would poss use ds2500's dependantt on how aggressive you are but most likely recomend the Performance Friction Z-rated pads...............
to my knowledge they are cheaper then the EBC anyhows
alyn
to my knowledge they are cheaper then the EBC anyhows
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30 December 2010, 08:06 PM
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Blues are ok, good stoppers but they like to be warm. Not as good as OEM at stop start, cruise, stop daily car. I found that they cool quickly and return to sub OEM unless your on them hard. This isn't a criticism more of a suitability comment as they have all the traits of a great track pad but less so as a daily road pad.
30 December 2010, 08:14 PM
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Blues are ok, good stoppers but they like to be warm. Not as good as OEM at stop start, cruise, stop daily car. I found that they cool quickly and return to sub OEM unless your on them hard. This isn't a criticism more of a suitability comment as they have all the traits of a great track pad but less so as a daily road pad.
Do you have the old bluestuff or the NDX's ? as I , and everyone who uses them doesn't share your findings ??
I run them in my everyday work car , and find the cold bite very good
01 January 2011, 07:40 PM
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Been using the blues for a while now and as said above they work great for cold and just get better the more heat you put into them, I have had brake fade but I couldn't see any brake pad taking the punishment they had but were back to normal in very little time. Can't understand why someone thinks they are poor when cold, if it brings my car to a stop when cold you'll have no problems
05 January 2011, 10:26 PM
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Bluestuff NDX Pads are superb all round. Best pads I've ever used.
DS2500s are old hat now.
Read more about the new Bluestuff NDX Pads here
DS2500s are old hat now.
Read more about the new Bluestuff NDX Pads here
05 January 2011, 11:21 PM
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Bluestuff NDX Pads are superb all round. Best pads I've ever used.
DS2500s are old hat now.
Read more about the new Bluestuff NDX Pads here
DS2500s are old hat now.
Read more about the new Bluestuff NDX Pads here
come on get real, I havent used all the pads mentioned but I have kicked *** on track days against good oposition using the DS2500's. If the other pads are better fair enough, but old hat 
The one thing I will say is that I do not sell anything so you know its not a biased point of view
Because I am so impressed with the DS2500 pads I have chosen to use the DS3000's in future for track driving.Lee.
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Things move on and better products are developed everyday, I've tried plenty of pads over the years and found these to be the best so far.
These pads are better than the DS2500, we can't all be wrong. When you have two suppliers telling you they work better, then you read through the test thread on here (they gave out 50+ full sets of pads for testing) not one bad review or you go on there blog you might start believing that these pads are very good and miles better than the old DS2500 compound.
Why not try some, you'll be impressed
These pads are better than the DS2500, we can't all be wrong. When you have two suppliers telling you they work better, then you read through the test thread on here (they gave out 50+ full sets of pads for testing) not one bad review or you go on there blog you might start believing that these pads are very good and miles better than the old DS2500 compound.
Why not try some, you'll be impressed
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23 April 2011, 07:59 PM
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Hi Guys
Had one guy in touch with me this week saying he has judder in track use of Blues, not on EBC discs but its not a disc quality issue anyway.
I tried to answer this chap but he doesnt want to listen so here is the answer to anyone having judder on track use of ANY brand of pads.
1) Hub runout is most likely cause, even if your old set up ran good, new discs may not line up and seat the same and 0.004 inches runout will cause judder and steering wheel shake. You can try rotating the discs on bolt hole and run again but the best way is to dial gauge the discs and if you have runout get them pro Cut skimmed. Shown on our website on this link.
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/automotive/pro_cut_lathe.shtml
2) Caliper sticking is number 2. We run the four pot scooby discs and calipers on our test rig and find that after about two weeks dyno work the caliper seals harden and start to drag. That is a year or so worth of hard driving but at that point, caliper drag will cause temps to shoot up under track use hundreds of degrees and the judder will set in
EBC can do service exchange calipers, any of our online sellers can handle that job for you and they will be like new with new pistons seals and pressure tested jobs.
There can be more complicated reasons for judder but these need a good photo shot of the discs to comment on, basically a crystalline structure change and some of the cast iron elements surfacing, doesnt happen often but of the first two things dont fix it, these are where we would check
Cheers guys
Had one guy in touch with me this week saying he has judder in track use of Blues, not on EBC discs but its not a disc quality issue anyway.
I tried to answer this chap but he doesnt want to listen so here is the answer to anyone having judder on track use of ANY brand of pads.
1) Hub runout is most likely cause, even if your old set up ran good, new discs may not line up and seat the same and 0.004 inches runout will cause judder and steering wheel shake. You can try rotating the discs on bolt hole and run again but the best way is to dial gauge the discs and if you have runout get them pro Cut skimmed. Shown on our website on this link.
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/automotive/pro_cut_lathe.shtml
2) Caliper sticking is number 2. We run the four pot scooby discs and calipers on our test rig and find that after about two weeks dyno work the caliper seals harden and start to drag. That is a year or so worth of hard driving but at that point, caliper drag will cause temps to shoot up under track use hundreds of degrees and the judder will set in
EBC can do service exchange calipers, any of our online sellers can handle that job for you and they will be like new with new pistons seals and pressure tested jobs.
There can be more complicated reasons for judder but these need a good photo shot of the discs to comment on, basically a crystalline structure change and some of the cast iron elements surfacing, doesnt happen often but of the first two things dont fix it, these are where we would check
Cheers guys
24 April 2011, 01:52 AM
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^^^^ interesting comments, at the Oulton Park TA round I found my brakes juddering when going out on track for about half a lap, once I gave them a bit of stick they came better? I assumed it was because the pads where getting low 
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