pslewis

And NO not incontinence pads - you tax payers pay for those, thanks!

Just had my service and have been told pads will need replacing on the front in the next 1000miles or so. The Subaru Dealer wants £159 to do them - or £118 for pads supply only.

Horrified I have contacted a motor parts place and they have quoted me £25 and have them on the shelf!!?? they are made by APEC and brake pads these days have to be as good as OE under a EU directive, he says - so they are equivalent to standards pads.

Are APEC any good? I am NOT rough on my pads - these have lasted 46,000miles! So I don't want fast road or anything like that.

Anything I should be aware of?

Is it an easy job? Any sites that explain how to do it? anything special to look for?

Cheers all!

Pete

pslewis

Ooooops sorry mods - please remove the surplus two!!

Pete

SCOOBY TOWERS

iTrader: (7)

What MY is your car.
I've a list of suppliers for various pads (MY99/00)
I'll mail you a copy if it will be any use.

As for fitting (again a MY99/00) 20 mins a wheel max (for a complete novice) all you need is to be able to jack the car correctly - remove the wheel - remove a couple of clips and undo 2 14MM bolts.
Its that easy - again if you need more advise I'll go into detail later.

Chris

[Edited by SCOOBY TOWERS - 11/18/2003 4:27:58 PM]

pslewis

Chris - its a MY00 - 4-pots on the front

I would appreciate some advice, the dealer said that it was an easy job .... 10minutes per wheel for the mechanic (as apparently the pins don't stick on Scoobies?)

Thanks

Pete

STi wanna Subaru

iTrader: (1)

Pete, contact alyn at as performance (somebody should prvide his number) He does good prices on pads.

Easy to change on the MY00.

[Edited by STi wanna Subaru - 11/18/2003 4:45:55 PM]

richiewong

AS Perfomance

SCOOBY TOWERS

iTrader: (7)

Pete,
Price list is on its way to your profile address.
The Dealers right, 10 min job for a mechanic, 20 mins to do yourself.
Depends if your willing to get your hands dirty or pay a mechanic for an hour.
Whichever you choose it will be cheaper than the dealers.
I'm off home now but I'll revisit this thread in the morning and try to answer any questions you have.

Chris

pslewis

Cheers Chris

I am more than willing to get my hands dirty if it means saving a wad - and it would appear like it might?!

My only concern is the extended warranty issue - would they dismiss any brake issues under the warranty?

Pete

SCOOBY TOWERS

iTrader: (7)

Morning Pete,
Not to sure about warranty, but I would guess that as the brakes are a wearing surface, and therefore the warranty wouldn't cover them.
If you were claiming for say, a blown engine, what would the make of brake pad have to do with it ?
I was also offered the Apec part from a local supplier but decided to spend a few quid more on a different brand as the catalogue at the time had a mix up between the 2 pot and 4 pot types.
The ones you are after are rectangular with a hole at each top corner.
Anything with funny shapes on the side of the pad is for the 2 pot calliper - double check if you chose the Apec part.
From the sound of it (46 K on one set of pads must be a record ) your not to heavy on the brakes, so the Apec may be a reasonable choice.
If your after something similar to the OEM part Mintex 1144 are virtually the same if not a little better and after that your into "performance" braking pads, which as the prices suggest, are much better than the Mintex etc.
I'll leave it up to you to decide but give me a shout if you need insructions etc for fitting.

Chris

pslewis

Thanks for all your help Chris - Halfords have offered me the Mintex for £50 all in.

I have also been offered some fast road pads - which I don't need, BUT its got me thinking ...... what is the difference? I assume its a differing material? harder? less fade? surely the more powerful brakes will eat the disc up faster too?

I drive like a vicar really, so maybe the Mintex will be fine?

Pete

SCOOBY TOWERS

iTrader: (7)

More Tea ?

Mintex sound as if they will be the best pad for your situation.

I also got the £50 quote from Halfrauds but they couldn't tell me what material (1155 material will eat discs compared to 1144) the pad was made from, and I they would have to "get them in" for me to look at. I left it and went somewhere that knew what they were talking about .

Chris

pslewis

NKK any good?? Just been offered a set of 4 for £35 .... its what Subaru fit as OE apparently?? Or is it?? Does anyone know whats fitted as OE?

Pete

dnb

The mintex pads work fine for me. I bought them from partco for a bit less than Halfrauds sell them.

I don't drive that much like a vicar...

Owl28

Ive just replaced my front 4 pot pads with OE APEC ones. Got them for £20 from a local dealer. I did get a discount as I know him but it just shows you how the dealer rips you off....again. Mines a MY99

Steve.

pslewis

Partco have said that it could be one of four part numbers - i gave him the number 1416 - is this right for a May2000 Impreza Turbo UK? Anyone know?

Pete

stockcar

MDB1416 is the correct part number for the 4pot car.......there is only ONE part number for this application!!
tend to find that replacement pads are never a good as O.E. type (not justifying Subaru's prices but O.E. spec!!) and that is normaly reflected in the price (under the new Euro specs the have to be within certain parameters although this does not mean they work exactly the same!!)
we also now have a "hi-performance" O.E. material available for most applications at very good prices.......

alyn - asperformance.com

pslewis

Alyn - thanks for that, parts salesmen are a great source of information usually on chit-chat but come up short when presented with choices!

OE material? Is that documented? could you enlighten us as to the special prices? or e-mail me?

Pete

stockcar

YHM
"O.E." as in orignal equipment......not sure how you mean "documented"??

always have "deals" available for Scoobynet..........
alyn - asperformance.com

Apple

Pete,

<**** mode on>

If you were that bored, you could look up ECE Regulation 78.01 (OE friction material spec) and then compare / contrast the requirements to those of ECE Requlation 90 (aftermarket friction material)

Reg. 90 is the directive the dealer was on obout that pads had to meet to be legally sold...

Some bits of the aftermarket spec are harder to meet than the materials have to pass for OE spec to which they are being compared.

<**** mode off>

Apple

PS if anybody says they'll get a set in for you to look at, then technically they can't sell 'em to anyone else if they've opened the box but you tell them that and see how far you get (unless things have changed with the regs...)

pslewis

Apple - a bloke opened a pack over the phone to me to see if there was any indication what spec they were made to, indeed, any indication at all of Subaru OE!!

Stockcar - no mail, unless I deleted it as possible spam! Sorry! could you re-send - label in Subaru Brake Pads or something?

Cheers all

Pete

Apple

Pete,

If you get chance to check the back of any pads, aftermarket material should be E-marked and have Reg. 90 info on like:



OE probably won't have any marks apart from the manufacturer, material, and possibly AMVSS friction coding (two letters e.g. FF, GG etc)

OES (Original Equipment Spares) pads as per Subaru dealers could be anything within reason and not necessarily OE material.

Apple

stockcar

try again.........YHM.......

andyman2003

hello all.Im after some pads for my impreza 2000 turbo MY00.
ive bin told i have to get them from subaru,£100.17+vat(front)
£62.09+vat(rear).the reason being the pads for my car are not yet available to after market outlets.Is this true?If anyone could help i would appreciate it.I dont realy want to pay the scandalous prices subaru want!!!!
many thanx.

SlowBoy

iTrader: (1)

Err, have you read any of this thread???

Loads of choices out there, as posted.

crowt123

local tyre place...£38 for front pads fitted...feel exactly same as oe's..

SCOOBY TOWERS

iTrader: (7)

Crowt123,
Which supplier was that ?

Chris

pslewis

Crowt - please tell more, could you get the name and part number of the pads they were going to fit?

This is opening a can of worms, as it would appear that price doesn't - in this case - indicated quality or suitability?

The prices I have been quoted range from £25 for pads which meet the Reg90 ..... all the way up to Subaru at £118!!

Greenstuff have been highly rated by one and slagged off by another

NOW, someone can get OE spec pads FITTED for £39????

Muddy the waters why don't you?

It looks like the price is whatever the seller can persuade the buyer to pay, same all over - BUT - Joe Public is NOT in a position to make a sensible judgement about spec and quality ... the only way to be certain is to buy from a Subaru dealer and watch in the mirror as he gives you a right good rodgering whilst emptying your wallett!!

Pete

andyman2003

this is obviously a very interesting subject.
I have contacted halfords,not so kwik fit,ats,and my local motor factor.all have told me i have to get them from subaru.Ats and quick fit both told me they can do the job for me,but they still have to get the pads from subaru.the time they put their bit of money on top,would i be any better off?.plus the fact i dont want some little herbert from kwik fit putting his grubby little mits on my motor!

Hogster

Just to add my four penneth......

I have a MY99 with 4 pots, the Subaru originals were ok, changed them to the Mintex 1155s, they lasted approx 18 months very dusty and didn't have much initial bite and got worse as they wore down. My wife's Nissan was better.

Just got some new replacements from Alyn at AS Performance, he fitted them while me, the missus and kids waited. They are Pagids can't remember the number but they have now bedded in nicely. They are by far the better pads with good initial bite. They weren't cheap but are well worth the money if stopping in time is important

Thanks to Alyn who is v knowledgable.

Hogster

andyman2003

HELLO.JUST MANAGED TO GET A SET OF FRONT AND REAR PADS FOR MY IMPEZA 2000 TURBO MY00.THEY R MINTEX PADS. THE WHOLE LOT CAME TO £55.SUBARU WANTED ALMOST £200 WITH THE VAT!!!!