I'm not crazy - well that may be up for debate....
03 March 2002, 03:07 PM
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A thread started here recently asking what modification paths for what sort of money.
Well just as a reference I thought I would answer the original question and see if others were willing to do the same.
Result - 346bhp, 300lb/ft torque
Cost - around four large, because I went the expensive route - big cost item was the Turbo - other bits, ECU, Exhaust, Intercooler, W/I and Injectors. Car running sweetly in this state of tune for over 10k miles, including over 500 on track.
Estimate that for ten large from scratch that 400bhp would be the minimum target without NOS. Instructions available from here!
Would need a stronger gearset and clutch though once over 350bhp and 350lb/ft of torque.
Trout
PS what did you get Andy - you probably spent even less than me
Well just as a reference I thought I would answer the original question and see if others were willing to do the same.
Result - 346bhp, 300lb/ft torque
Cost - around four large, because I went the expensive route - big cost item was the Turbo - other bits, ECU, Exhaust, Intercooler, W/I and Injectors. Car running sweetly in this state of tune for over 10k miles, including over 500 on track.
Estimate that for ten large from scratch that 400bhp would be the minimum target without NOS. Instructions available from here!
Would need a stronger gearset and clutch though once over 350bhp and 350lb/ft of torque.
Trout
PS what did you get Andy - you probably spent even less than me
03 March 2002, 07:11 PM
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Troat I wish you had not asked . ihave just got all my bills out.After checking that my maths were right i think about 5k.Result the same as you mate 346bhp but 290lb/ft.the mod were prety much the same to.
HKS turbo
HKS tubular manifolds.
HKS super afr fuel controller.
HKS boost controller.
Modified mongoose exhaust.
HKS induction kit
front mounted intercooler
Tuning japanese cams
I started with 240BHP .how about you trout
03 March 2002, 07:19 PM
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I haven't had mine on the rollers yet...will do shortly though.
MY00 turbo, started out with 218 hp, spent way 2 much on it (and I'll keep spending - I AM CRAZY
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Possum Link
VF24 @1.3 bar (from 3500-6000 rpm, then tailing off to 1.1 @ 7000)
HKS FMIC (coming next week)
Fully decatted Scoobysport zorst.
What do you reckon it ought to put out?
/J
[Edited by SecretAgentMan - 3/3/2002 7:24:52 PM]
MY00 turbo, started out with 218 hp, spent way 2 much on it (and I'll keep spending - I AM CRAZY
).Possum Link
VF24 @1.3 bar (from 3500-6000 rpm, then tailing off to 1.1 @ 7000)
HKS FMIC (coming next week)
Fully decatted Scoobysport zorst.
What do you reckon it ought to put out?
/J
[Edited by SecretAgentMan - 3/3/2002 7:24:52 PM]
03 March 2002, 07:25 PM
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220 tops, on a cold day, assuming good fuel
got any stickers must be worth a few bhp.
Dont know but 1.3 bar I would have thought at least 300 probably nearer 330-340
[Edited by chrisp - 3/3/2002 7:26:46 PM]
got any stickers must be worth a few bhp
.Dont know but 1.3 bar I would have thought at least 300 probably nearer 330-340
[Edited by chrisp - 3/3/2002 7:26:46 PM]
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03 March 2002, 08:59 PM
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Hi Trout,
Hope you are well mate!
Power Enterprise Turbo PE1818
Link ECU
APS FMIC
APS Air Inductor
APS Dump Valve
Scoobysport Downpipe (2.5")
HKS Hiper Ti-Limited
Performance modifications costs: £3,500
This price does not include labour, other modifications, including handling, wheels, brakes, leather, carbon, gauges, etc, etc.
Stardard figure power: 215bhp (MY99 UK)
Final Figure Recorded: 354bhp/298lbft
Hope this helps your research!!
Andy
PS:
[Edited to add RR graph as it was to hand!]
[Edited by Andy Tang - 3/3/2002 11:48:40 PM]
Hope you are well mate!
Power Enterprise Turbo PE1818
Link ECU
APS FMIC
APS Air Inductor
APS Dump Valve
Scoobysport Downpipe (2.5")
HKS Hiper Ti-Limited
Performance modifications costs: £3,500
This price does not include labour, other modifications, including handling, wheels, brakes, leather, carbon, gauges, etc, etc.
Stardard figure power: 215bhp (MY99 UK)
Final Figure Recorded: 354bhp/298lbft
Hope this helps your research!!
Andy
PS:
[Edited to add RR graph as it was to hand!
][Edited by Andy Tang - 3/3/2002 11:48:40 PM]
03 March 2002, 10:49 PM
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Well this is interesting - looks like 340bhp is easily available this side of five large. Mind you I wish I had gone for the rebuild to put in special conrods that only work up to 1.8bar
SAM - I reckon with 1.1bar at 7,000 rpm you might just get 300bhp - it depends on how much air your turbo flows.
Any more suggestions
Trout
SAM - I reckon with 1.1bar at 7,000 rpm you might just get 300bhp - it depends on how much air your turbo flows.
Any more suggestions
Trout
03 March 2002, 10:59 PM
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I'm going internal as soon as my budget recovers (will it ever? ), I'm thinking JE pistons and steel rods.
Does anyone know how much abuse an open deck block will take?
Cheers!
/J - isn't it wonderful when powerdiscussions can be had without harsh language?
), I'm thinking JE pistons and steel rods.Does anyone know how much abuse an open deck block will take?
Cheers!
/J - isn't it wonderful when powerdiscussions can be had without harsh language?
03 March 2002, 11:13 PM
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Jerry,
it would be a tough one to call - I am considering going the same route - but want 2bar so closed/semi-closed would seem to be a good idea. Also when it is open good time to port the heads.
Trout
it would be a tough one to call - I am considering going the same route - but want 2bar so closed/semi-closed would seem to be a good idea. Also when it is open good time to port the heads.
Trout
03 March 2002, 11:34 PM
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Closed deck block
Uprated headgaskets
Lowered Compression
APS FMIC
APS Induction
Steel Crank
Arrow Rods
Cossie Pistons
Flowed and Ported heads
550cc Injectors
Uprated fuel pump
Turbo Dynamics MD195 turbo
BPM/AVO large inlet
HKS SQV
Venturi up pipe
Ported headers
BPM Twin Dump DP
HKS Hiper TT
Gems fully programmable Replacement ECU with Anti Lag and Launch control
Plus the other normal bits
uprated oil pump
baffled sump
oil catch tank
AP 4 pots
Coilovers
Polyflex bushes
18" Speedlines
Gauges galore etc etc
360hp/331lb ft@1.5bar (258hp@ wheels)
288hp@ wheels @ 1.8 bar
Uprated headgaskets
Lowered Compression
APS FMIC
APS Induction
Steel Crank
Arrow Rods
Cossie Pistons
Flowed and Ported heads
550cc Injectors
Uprated fuel pump
Turbo Dynamics MD195 turbo
BPM/AVO large inlet
HKS SQV
Venturi up pipe
Ported headers
BPM Twin Dump DP
HKS Hiper TT
Gems fully programmable Replacement ECU with Anti Lag and Launch control
Plus the other normal bits
uprated oil pump
baffled sump
oil catch tank
AP 4 pots
Coilovers
Polyflex bushes
18" Speedlines
Gauges galore etc etc
360hp/331lb ft@1.5bar (258hp@ wheels)
288hp@ wheels @ 1.8 bar
03 March 2002, 11:37 PM
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Mr. Trowt,
I smell somethink fishy hear. Are you making fun of sumone ?
Why does all of you get good bhp, but not very good torque, is there a problem with the ecu's, or the UK tuner ?? I bet it wasn't tdi, was it, haha
CF
I smell somethink fishy hear. Are you making fun of sumone ?
Why does all of you get good bhp, but not very good torque, is there a problem with the ecu's, or the UK tuner ?? I bet it wasn't tdi, was it, haha
CF
03 March 2002, 11:38 PM
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If anyone can give me some advice over here, I'd be interested...
http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/threa...threadid=76734
Jon
http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/threa...threadid=76734
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04 March 2002, 01:06 AM
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Sorry 370Beast - who are you? I started this post for serious tuners to share their personal and real experiences of tuning the Subaru engine and what sort of mods they have.
I am not sure that I would want to eat your car - simply that it would probably taste quite nasty. Oh, and by the way I am very good at maths thank you.
So if you have some real, personal experiences to share then please join the conversation - otherwise ta ta for now!
Trout
I am not sure that I would want to eat your car - simply that it would probably taste quite nasty. Oh, and by the way I am very good at maths thank you.
So if you have some real, personal experiences to share then please join the conversation - otherwise ta ta for now!
Trout
04 March 2002, 01:14 AM
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Carlos,
how dare you - I'll have you know I was the tuner in this case. And the torque figure was the highest on the day against some very serious Scoobs, including some with NITRUX.
What I don't do is fiddle with the boost control to get artificial overboost to get a RR figure as the settings are not compatable with road driving or track driving.
I would prefer not to take my car to TDI - someone else posted here recently and they spent ten large just to get 340bhp, poor souls - also he said he needed a second rebuild to get his car over 1.8bar. I hope that wasn't the tuners doing? I can't imagine how disappointed I would be to have to replace my conrods twice!
Trout
how dare you - I'll have you know I was the tuner in this case. And the torque figure was the highest on the day against some very serious Scoobs, including some with NITRUX.
What I don't do is fiddle with the boost control to get artificial overboost to get a RR figure as the settings are not compatable with road driving or track driving.
I would prefer not to take my car to TDI - someone else posted here recently and they spent ten large just to get 340bhp, poor souls - also he said he needed a second rebuild to get his car over 1.8bar. I hope that wasn't the tuners doing? I can't imagine how disappointed I would be to have to replace my conrods twice!
Trout
04 March 2002, 02:27 PM
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Hi
I'd just like to add to this thread at the lower end of the tuning scale.
I started off with a 260PS import, so I assume about 250BHP on UK fuel.
Full Scoobymania Exhaust, K+N panel filter and a Dawes MBC set to 1.0 bar.
Total cost new £650 but because I'm a bit of a scavenger I got it all for less than £500
Anyway according to PE I've got 283BHP, so I've gained about 30BHP for my troubles.
Not figures to set this thread alight in terms of money and power but the best bit about my budget tuning is that information costs nothing. I've had the pleasure of discussing online and meeting up with the likes of Andy Tang, Trout, Topcat, Danny, that man Lawson and others whose opinions and advice are greatly recieved (apart from the Dawes thing but hey I'm on a budget here ).
In short we are all petrolhead enthusiasts and share a common goal of tuning our cars but it seems that of late there has been some threads started that really doesn't do anybody any favours
.
There was post on another thread by DeepSingh that suggested that Craig, Trout etc should concentrate more of their posts on threads that welcome their views, opinions etc and help out newbie tuners rather than get involved in threads that are no more than 'mines bigger than yours' in nature. However, if it wasn't for the intervention of these threads by EB, SAM Craig Trout, then certain newbie tuners may well have taken poor advice.....
The SB370 threads are indeed interesting and hilarious entertainment to established scoobynetters but ultimately its a sad time for Scoobynet when these type of threads dominate the shop window
I was going to add this to the other thread but it was locked, sorry to intrude David.
Justin
I'd just like to add to this thread at the lower end of the tuning scale.
I started off with a 260PS import, so I assume about 250BHP on UK fuel.
Full Scoobymania Exhaust, K+N panel filter and a Dawes MBC set to 1.0 bar.
Total cost new £650 but because I'm a bit of a scavenger I got it all for less than £500
Anyway according to PE I've got 283BHP, so I've gained about 30BHP for my troubles.
Not figures to set this thread alight in terms of money and power
but the best bit about my budget tuning is that information costs nothing. I've had the pleasure of discussing online and meeting up with the likes of Andy Tang, Trout, Topcat, Danny, that man Lawson and others whose opinions and advice are greatly recieved (apart from the Dawes thing but hey I'm on a budget here ). In short we are all petrolhead enthusiasts and share a common goal of tuning our cars but it seems that of late there has been some threads started that really doesn't do anybody any favours
.There was post on another thread by DeepSingh that suggested that Craig, Trout etc should concentrate more of their posts on threads that welcome their views, opinions etc and help out newbie tuners rather than get involved in threads that are no more than 'mines bigger than yours' in nature. However, if it wasn't for the intervention of these threads by EB, SAM Craig Trout, then certain newbie tuners may well have taken poor advice.....
The SB370 threads are indeed interesting and hilarious entertainment to established scoobynetters but ultimately its a sad time for Scoobynet when these type of threads dominate the shop window
I was going to add this to the other thread but it was locked, sorry to intrude David.
Justin
04 March 2002, 07:08 PM
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Troat,
i dont know to much about the technical stuff ,oil and filter,brakes etc about my limited.I am thing about what to do next.I would be greatful of any info you or anyone else could give.
julian
just thought Andy Tang i think you came to horsham to buy my super dragger a while ago
i dont know to much about the technical stuff ,oil and filter,brakes etc about my limited.I am thing about what to do next.I would be greatful of any info you or anyone else could give.
julian
just thought Andy Tang i think you came to horsham to buy my super dragger a while ago
04 March 2002, 11:41 PM
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Justin,
this thread and the other one are to protect newbies from spending £14k on their car to get a handful of extra horses. This thread was to demonstrate that for less than five large big power can be achieved and how it was done.
Everyone else....
....320+lbs/ft of torque seems like an AWFUL lot from a 2l car running 1.2bar - is this possible or would you need a turbo the size of Wales?
Trout
this thread and the other one are to protect newbies from spending £14k on their car to get a handful of extra horses. This thread was to demonstrate that for less than five large big power can be achieved and how it was done.
Everyone else....
....320+lbs/ft of torque seems like an AWFUL lot from a 2l car running 1.2bar - is this possible or would you need a turbo the size of Wales?
Trout
05 March 2002, 12:21 AM
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Trout,
I'm not certain how TDI's RR compares to PE's, so it's a little hard to say. 320ftlbs is certainly on the higher than expected side, but then we've seen 344bhp/309ftlbs from 1.25bar, on a UK car, and this was on a medium sized hybrid.
I don't know what size turbo 370 has, and it would have been nice to see a slightly more understandable dyno graph, and at what rpm max torque was acheived. It may well have been at high rpm, indicating a big turbo.
It's also possible that 1.2bar, refers to "boost held", and that some overboost was used to get the torque figure. Although I'm not certain if a Pro Pro Pro, allows overboost ?
I just know that my car (original STi engine) saw such varying torque figures (even saw 377ftlbs on one dyno, although that was with 1.7bar induced overboost that I don't doubt 370's claimed figures were run.
Trout, you could always take your car down to TDI for a power run, that may give you a better idea.
To be honest, we don't really know very much about 370's car, just that he runs an HKS F-Con, EVC Pro, etc', but no detail on the turbo, injectors, ect', so for now, it's just a guessing game.......
By the way, I thinking of starting a "301ftlb PLUS club" what do you reckon......
Mark.
I'm not certain how TDI's RR compares to PE's, so it's a little hard to say. 320ftlbs is certainly on the higher than expected side, but then we've seen 344bhp/309ftlbs from 1.25bar, on a UK car, and this was on a medium sized hybrid.
I don't know what size turbo 370 has, and it would have been nice to see a slightly more understandable dyno graph, and at what rpm max torque was acheived. It may well have been at high rpm, indicating a big turbo.
It's also possible that 1.2bar, refers to "boost held", and that some overboost was used to get the torque figure. Although I'm not certain if a Pro Pro Pro, allows overboost ?
I just know that my car (original STi engine) saw such varying torque figures (even saw 377ftlbs on one dyno, although that was with 1.7bar induced overboost
that I don't doubt 370's claimed figures were run.Trout, you could always take your car down to TDI for a power run, that may give you a better idea.
To be honest, we don't really know very much about 370's car, just that he runs an HKS F-Con, EVC Pro, etc', but no detail on the turbo, injectors, ect', so for now, it's just a guessing game.......
By the way, I thinking of starting a "301ftlb PLUS club" what do you reckon......
Mark.
