cobraman

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Hi all.

I've basically joined up to the forum as I am looking to replace my 2002 Honda CTR with a Scooby as I still want the performance but the Mrs insists on a 4 door car. So saying that the Leon Cupra R is also an alternative along with the Scooby. I'll explain where I am and I also have a few questions.

I currently own a 2002 CTR which has been fantastic over the past year or so but I want a change and the Scooby fits the bill. Ideally, I want a WRX (non-STI) with no more than 65k miles and preferrably a 2002 upwards car. And the budget - £8,000.

Now the biggest factor for me is fuel consumption. I am aware of the tax, insurance, servicing costs etc etc and these are all fine but I want a true figure of fuel consumption. So give you an idea of what I am getting at the moment with the CTR...

£48 Unleaded = Full Tank = 240ish miles (town driving only)
£48 Unleaded = Full Tank = 300ish miles (motorway driving)

So what I want is basically the same as above but for your Scooby WRX's please so I can compare the mileage and cost.

So onto the rest of the questions...

1. Is the 'WRX' an import variant? If so, what are the advantages/disadvantages over a UK car?

2. I am after a 2002 model and I believe these come in 220bhp and 260bhp - is this correct?

3. Fuel economy! I currently fill up the CTR to the brim and it costs £46 unleaded with which I get around 240-260 miles in everyday driving. How much does it cost to fill up a Scooby and what kind of mileage am I likely to get out of it? Plus do I have to fill up with Super Unleaded?

4. Insurance! I currently pay £600 for the CTR so I assume I am going to be looking at something similar for the Scooby since their in the same insurance bracket? Or does a WRX mean I will be paying more?

5. Problems! What should I look out for?

Cheers - Cobraman

TonyBurns

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All new age cars produced after 2000 were called WRX rather than 2000 awd turbo's, so your sort of ok there, but there are still WRX imports about in that guise, though they dont have the subaru 4 pot brakes (they have 2 pots).

215bhp for the 2002 model, 250ish with the PPP fitted, 2003 cars have 223bhp out of the box, 260 with the PPP fitted (ppp= prodrive performance pack)

Well fuel is 110 per litre, 60 ltr tank = 66 quid to fill up

The WRX is a group 20 car, so its going to be more unfortunately

Tony

Brun

By your figures, you get 30.9mpg/24.7mpg (motorway/town). I would expect 27 or there abouts from a Scoob on a run and 20 or below round town! In my 313bhp Classic, i used to average around 23mpg

Norman Dog

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1. The WRX MY01 onwards can be an import or an official UK car.

2. Yes, About 221BHP Standard 261BHP with PPP (prodrive performance pack)

3. Expect between 20mpg Town up to 29mpg motorway, I filled up with £59 (V-Power) the other day, car did 242 miles on that.

4. If the car's not am import, insurance will be very similar.

5. No major problems with mine so far, brake pads/discs dont last long if driven hard..


Hope this helps

cobraman

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Firstly thanks Brun for working out my current mpg figures - makes it a lot more clearer as to what I am achieving with the CTR.

To be absolutely honest I think if the time comes when four doors is an absolute necessity I may plump for the Leon Cupra R (2003 model with 205bhp) as fuel economy is pretty identical to the CTR as is insurance and just about everything else. I can always get a REVO upgrade to boost up power to 240bhp for £500 at a later date.

The Scoobies do rock and I just thought a WRX would have given me similar figures to the CTR as opposed to an STi but low 20s sounds too low for me.

New_scooby_04

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I wouldn't read too much into the official figures for the Leon Cupra mate; such figures er on the optimistic side and what you achieve in the real world may fall rather short of them! It's a turbo car and any turbo car is going to be thirsty when you put your foot down!

My advice would be if you're worried about fuel consumption and running costs, a Scooby is not for you.

They're great cars ad can be cheap to buy, but they are never cheap to own!

Ns04

Brun

I think in fairness, the problem with a Scoob's fuel consumption is the AWD thing. Even non turbo Scoobs are crap on juice
Another thing to consider with Scoobs is the other running costs. An MY01 onwards car will need a service every 10k which can vary between £100 and £600 depending on the type of service.
Brake pads - take EBC for example are £110 for the fronts where as the Leon's are £70.

Norman Dog

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£600!! Which service costs that much?

Brun

I'm only guessing about the MY01 onwards based on how it used to be with a Classic.
Classics used to have services every 7.5k with 30k being a major and 45k being the cambelt - these two services meet at 90k which could cost upto £600. With newage i guess that the major service is still at 30k and the cambelt at 60k????? which would make the 60k service the mega expensive one - can anyone confirm?

escott

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A UK 2002 WRX is 215bhp. An import has more power (240?) but will cost more to insure.

The good news is that recent price drops mean you can get a minter on your budget, even the PPP which as above makes it around 250bhp or a little more.

To be honest I reckon you can get a good one for under £6k at the moment.

50,000 is the cambelt service I think, which is expensive, 60,000 is also pr-cey as they do plugs and all fluids - about £440 from a main dealer. You can get them done at a specialist much cheaper though, probably knock about £100 off.

Service intervals are 10,000 on these.

Fuel consumption of course depends on how you drive it, but mid 20's is certainly achievable, low 20's if you drive it hard or around town all the time, and high 20's on longer runs kept below 75ish.

Piece of advice - you can afford a blobeye/2003 model with that money, they look better (IMO), have a little more power and are a lower tax bracket.

A friend has the (slightly later) Cupra R, it's nicer inside and quieter, feels better built, but the Scooby makes a great family car for me and I think it's more fun.

My advice would be the WRX, but them you expected that coming on here didn't you?