TURBO POWER

Just bought our 04 WRX ,me and my brother are picking it up this week.can we get some info on these cars as we new to it.thanks.

Jasoon

What type of info are you after mate??

speedking

1) Don't go above 4000 rpm untl after the 1000 mile service.
2) Open an account at your local Shell garage.
3) Yes, any modifications you do will affect your warranty.
4) Search

Enjoy.

W 12 X T C

i am not saying you are wrong speedking . but i was told by my dealer that the ecu learns how you drive the car if you use it lightly for first 1000 miles you will not get full performance later on. again don't know how true this is so sorry in advance to speedking if i am wrong.
enjoy your new car though turbo power.

wrxmania

True,

I also believe it does but in the newer cars it adapts to the conditions over the space of so many miles so will adapt to the driving style I believe.

My car was a demonstrator so was probably booted by the dealer from new and was given its 1,000 miles service at 180 miles or something ridiculous.

Has not done it any harm I know of, was rolling roaded beside PPP'd cars etc and it made 245 BHP with just a new backbox!!!

Careful use in the first 1000 miles but giving it a range of revs, speeds and conditions is good for the engine too, not sitting at the same speed all the time on a motorway for hundreds of its early miles.

This is standard info from most manufacturers - vary the driving in its first 10,000 miles is best.

Brian

MadMark

My 2p worth .....

If you use it to hard from moment 1 - the engine wears quickly and the engine gets unpleasantly hot. Personally you need to have no mechanical sympathy to do that!

Gradually increase revs - (say sub 3K for 1st 100 miles?) and durations of full boost over the next 500 miles. As 4K in 5th is over 100mph I think this is plenty.
- Also don't let it labour below 2K in a high gear ...

Once over 1K and without running oil I spanked it .....

BTW with only a backbox change, I have had 252 and 260bhp on separate rolling roads

Enjoy

SC008Y_MAD

iTrader: (5)

so what r u saying wrxmania and W 12 X T C, that in the first 1000 miles from new the ecu adapts to the drivers driving, so if u ragg it a lot u will get max power, but if not and u are a sensibable driver (no Ragging) then ur get less power? if this is the case how would u get more power, re-set the ecu by disconecting the bat for x number of mins?

Ru$$Rip

speedking is right everyone else is talking out of their (_x_). 260 bhp with just a BB change - thats BS or the rollers are well off!! The ECU's will adapt within about 5 minutes - just take it easy for the first 1k miles and dont labour the engine. Simple.

wrxmania

260 BHP - I want a go on those rollers too!!

MadMark

No BS - the rolling road day I organised at G-Force in Aylesbury this February - so only about 60 witnesess on here! For reference another mate of mine got 274 bhp with just a Full APS Exhaust (no other mods).
By this stage the car had done about 18,000 miles so maybe that's why I was getting more power ... than the 252 bhp I got at Power Engineering with 9,000 miles on the clock last September

Have a look at G-Force's Rollers - here: For you cynics!

speedking

My point 1 was not aimed at ECU learning anything. AIUI the map is fixed so driving easy for 1000, or 5000, miles does not cause the car to go into 'Driving Miss Daisy' mode. The only thing learnt by the ecu is fuel quality, which is learnt pretty much instantaneously by new age imprezas. What would be the point of the car learning how you drive and adapting permanently to that state? When you buy 2nd hand do you check that the previous owner drove like you, so you won't buy a disappointingly slow car? LOL

My point is that the easier you are on the car in its early miles the better longevity you will be rewarded with. Don't forget that this not only applies to the engine but also the brakes, tyres, clutch etc, all of which do not appreciate being thrashed from day one.

My 205GTi was 10 years old and 135000 miles when sold. Still in very good condition.

My personal running in regime is:

<1000 miles <4000rpm
<2000 miles <5000rpm
<3000 miles <6000rpm
<4000 miles <7000rpm

with occasional blips allowed. Using a range of gears and speeds.

I believe that this will show benefits in later life. If you only aim to keep the car for 3 years then the above can be ignored

There are a multitude of opinions, search will reveal some, including "our race engines that we rebuild every 1000 miles are never run in and it hasn't done them any harm" . example thread

UK cars have thin running oil until the 1000mile service. Euro imports don't.

Just because manufacturer's say that running in is not necessary these days, doesn't mean that this is the best approach for the private motorist.

MadMark

wrxmania and Ru$$Rip - do you even own a Subaru (let alone an 03/04 WRX)? If not you are not really in a position to comment ........

wrxmania

YES YES and YES

I have an MY03 WRX, if you read any of my posts of check out my profile or whatever. I don't claim to have 260 BHP either.

Read my post!

Bubba po

Why would you commit to a car like this when you know **** all about them? It just beggars belief.

MadMark

OK - seen it now - but then you're just jealous that mine makes more bhp - which is fine by me

wrxmania

Thanks,

But what other benchmark cars were making stable power on that day ie Bugeyes, Classics, people who have spend MEGA cash on their cars and know what they are putting out etc.

I am certainly not saying 260 is not possible on a WRX with few select mods.

MadMark

Wrxmania - FYI

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Davies [mailto:chrisd@g-force-motorsport.co.uk]
Sent: 16 May 2004 15:21
To: MM
Subject: Re: Subaru Rolling Road Day


Mark,

Appologies for the delay - busy day as always. I hope everyone got something out of it. Here are the reg numbers and figures for the cars that ran. If someone has been missed just email the reg number and I'll have a look.

Our 3" cat exhaust does mate up to the prodrive back box.

Cheers,

Chris Davies
Technical Manager


Reg BHP Torque

T794AHY 419.1 365 ib-ft
ND02LSL 399.0 362 ib-ft
(g-force stage 3 400bhp STi 7)
T666WRX 351.9 315 ib-ft
DJ51FUZ 326.5 322 ib-ft
K5WRX 325.5 296 ib-ft
EN03CM2 317.6 302 ib-ft
RE52BUH (1.15 bar) 317.3 271 ib-ft
R191XHY 302.0 292 ib-ft
RK02EFW 297.8 282 ib-ft
DBZ347 292.4 290 ib-ft
S8WRX 278.2 272 ib-ft
P781OKO 277.3 241 ib-ft
Y142JPP 277.1 269 ib-ft
Y653HJP 275.6 275 ib-ft
MY03WRX 273.2 250ib-ft
EO52BHA 270.1 260 ib-ft
X368OGW 264.4 248 ib-ft
V131DAU 265.6 252 ib-ft
T311POA 263.2 248 ib-ft
3557ML 260.2 240 ib-ft
V280DCW 259.4 242 ib-ft
R19ELE 258.6 236 ib-ft
S13DER 256.8 255 ib-ft
L296HKO 255.7 248 ib-ft
R49PWP 244.8 228 ib-ft
M219UJL 243.8 228 ib-ft
S861JTR 236.8 222 ib-ft
M789NWK 227.0 203 ib-ft

wrxmania

I am not debating your figure - I think its Ru$$rip you want a word with.

MadMark

wrxmania - ok - have a look:

fuz's car made 326.5bhp and 322 lb-ft - 01 WRX with full de-cat, fuel pump, re-chip etc

Stuarts car made 277.1 bhp and 269 lb-ft - 01 WRX with Full Scoobysport De-Cat Exhaust, Unichip, FMIC, Dawes Device.

Loony Toons car made 264.4bhp and 248 ib-ft - 01 WRX with Full De-Cat, TEK3, Air Filter, Blitz Dump Valve

BigJoe's car made 270.1 260 ib-ft - 02 WRX with Full De-cat, Tek2 and Up-pipe

Andy's car made 273.2bhp and 250lb-ft - 03 WRX on just the Full APS Racing Cat Exhaust

Mine you know!

What was immediately obvious on the RR days I have been to was that all the 03's (onwards) produce much more power as standard than the bug eyes (most blob eyes are around 230 bog standard) and respond amazingly to an exhaust change (Andy's 03 was RR'd on G-Force's rollers at 229bhp before the APS exhaust went on and jumped to 273bhp)!! Not bad for £1K ....