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Thoughts on these cars
I am on the lookout for a replacement car and I have considered loads of different types but I have decided it has to be a hothatch of some sort.
I have driven the Astra [and I was impressed] but I am not the sort to go and test drive cars' just to see how they drive.
Any opinions on the below cars all between 220-240 bhp? - 15k budget.
Astra VXR Burg
Megane 230 R26
Seat Leon Cupra [Possibly a K1]
Focus St
Golf GTI edition 30
I have driven the Astra [and I was impressed] but I am not the sort to go and test drive cars' just to see how they drive.
Any opinions on the below cars all between 220-240 bhp? - 15k budget.
Astra VXR Burg
Megane 230 R26
Seat Leon Cupra [Possibly a K1]
Focus St
Golf GTI edition 30
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ST or VXR,
Not that Ive driven any of them but from what Ive heard a Renault will probably fall apart, the Golf will (from experience, and my brother in laws, and my mates), dont know much about Seats but having lived in Spain I find it hard to buy anything with 'made in Spain' written on it.
Not that Ive driven any of them but from what Ive heard a Renault will probably fall apart, the Golf will (from experience, and my brother in laws, and my mates), dont know much about Seats but having lived in Spain I find it hard to buy anything with 'made in Spain' written on it.
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Golf or Megane.
One is easy to live with and effortlessly quick, the other isn't but is a bit mad and a lot of fun.
ST is nuts on fuel for it's power, VXR has an Astra dash which is minging (from someone that had an Astra H for 4 years) and is a bit of a chaviot.
One is easy to live with and effortlessly quick, the other isn't but is a bit mad and a lot of fun.
ST is nuts on fuel for it's power, VXR has an Astra dash which is minging (from someone that had an Astra H for 4 years) and is a bit of a chaviot.
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Megane handles the best and is arguably the most fun, the ED30 is the best all round package and along with the Cupra has the most tuning potential without spending a fortune. ST and VXR are both worth a shout. Try and get a drive in them all and you are bound to like one more than the others.
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Depends on criteria - Megane with cup suspension is arguably the best handling one out there - most driver enjoyment when pushing on. The Golf beats it in all other areas though so just drive them and make your choice. The other 3 wouldn't get a look in IMO
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You seem to have a different suggestions based on what your priorities are. Out and out fun? Renault, all rounder? Golf. I know the ST drinks but Id rather spend the money on fuel, a little bit more at a time, than the heavy repair bills you will most likely face as I think they would be out of warranty wouldnt they?
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All the above tick the boxes for me really but I know the only way would be to drive them I guess.
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my mate has had 2 leon cupra r's... they go very well but seemed fairly juicy... nice ride comfort but down side is they are very boaty, handling is some what aweful.. but you will get the reliabilty and cheap servicing as its a VW.
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This months Redline has a couple of Golf owners, one of the changed from a Seat because he found the Golf to be much better handling etc... even though essentially same car.
Vauxhalls have a badge issue for me, ST very thirsty, Megane is a Renault..
Haha, its the Golf then!
Audi S3??
Vauxhalls have a badge issue for me, ST very thirsty, Megane is a Renault..
Haha, its the Golf then!
Audi S3??
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I had a Focus ST with dreamscience remap (£200 secondhand handset), approx 285bhp, great fun but 23mpg
I was looking at a VXR but after having 2 mk5 astras i find the interior boring
Had 2 mk5 Golfs (2.0fsi), build quality isn't great
Looked at a Leon but hated the dash centre console (bit you see everytime you sit in it)
renault - french so i wouldn't even think about it after 2 clios - very poor build/ reliability
How about S2000 or Civic type R
I was looking at a VXR but after having 2 mk5 astras i find the interior boring
Had 2 mk5 Golfs (2.0fsi), build quality isn't great
Looked at a Leon but hated the dash centre console (bit you see everytime you sit in it)
renault - french so i wouldn't even think about it after 2 clios - very poor build/ reliability
How about S2000 or Civic type R
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I owned one of the first UK Civic Type Rs (EP3) and its the best car I've ever owned so you can imagine how excited I got when I heard about the new one and booked a test drive as soon as I could.All I can say is I've never been so disappointed in all my life a new car is supposed to be better than the one it replaces not worse its slower,heavier and doesn't handle nearly as well mainly due to the fact they replaced the old cars independent rear suspension with an old fashioned beam axle.The JDM spec Civic Type R is a totally different kettle of fish though and is well worth a look like this one... http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...1500?logcode=p
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I owned one of the first UK Civic Type Rs (EP3) and its the best car I've ever owned so you can imagine how excited I got when I heard about the new one and booked a test drive as soon as I could.All I can say is I've never been so disappointed in all my life a new car is supposed to be better than the one it replaces not worse its slower,heavier and doesn't handle nearly as well mainly due to the fact they replaced the old cars independent rear suspension with an old fashioned beam axle.The JDM spec Civic Type R is a totally different kettle of fish though and is well worth a look like this one... http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...1500?logcode=p
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The JDM spec Civic Type R is a totally different kettle of fish though and is well worth a look like this one... http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...1500?logcode=p
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The best thing for me is the VTEC howl when you get it above 6000RPM it sends a tingle down my spine just thinking about it!But they even got rid of that in the new shape UK car you just get a VTEC light on the dash
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I can highly recommend the Blitz Sonic induction kit it made a suprising difference as the standard airbox actually faces away from the airflow into the engine I put mine on the rollers and it came back at 211BHP with no other mods!
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No unfortunately not mate I wrote it off on some black ice one morning otherwise I'd probably still have it.Thats the only problem with the Type Rs they're pretty highly tuned out the box so theres not much you can do apart from filters and exhausts I've seen a few with VTEC controllers doesn't give you any more power but moves the changeover point to wherever you fancy in the rev range!
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Yep, I think that even with a race manifold and higher lift cams, 260bhp is about absolute tops and that's using a Hondata programmable ECU. However, the car is light (just over 1200kgs), which is respectable power to weight. And besides, there's always an option to supercharge
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Golf.... hmmmmm.... they have a good warranty but probably not as reliable as the renault (and thats saying something )
Top would be the Renault, dealers apart (as they suck), its arguably the best car for out and out fun and performance (and will run rings around the golf).
ST is more grown up but no slouch, SEAT is better value than the golf, better dealers and seem to be more reliable (which is funny considering most of the parts are the same )
Astra is a fun hatch nothing wrong with the dash but its a bit of a thug, compared to the others, has the potential to end up first in the chav pile but if you have the money, look for an 888 Astra 1.9 CDTI, 200bhp version as a good alternative
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Top would be the Renault, dealers apart (as they suck), its arguably the best car for out and out fun and performance (and will run rings around the golf).
ST is more grown up but no slouch, SEAT is better value than the golf, better dealers and seem to be more reliable (which is funny considering most of the parts are the same )
Astra is a fun hatch nothing wrong with the dash but its a bit of a thug, compared to the others, has the potential to end up first in the chav pile but if you have the money, look for an 888 Astra 1.9 CDTI, 200bhp version as a good alternative
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This car is pretty special. I've not seen one before.http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1875765.htm
This car is pretty special. I've not seen one before.http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1875765.htm