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Old 19 August 2009, 11:48 AM
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Waiting for my S4 is driving me nuts, and have recently been looking at RS6s, Avants are coming in at a little over 60k for an 09 model.

I need someone to tell me they are a depreciation money pit and not worth bothering with. I can then come back to this thread occasionally for the next few months!
Old 19 August 2009, 11:54 AM
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I always liked the term Heroic Depreciation.

I think it applies to these super saloons - look at what you pay for a 3 or 4 year old S6/RS6!

They make an Insignia VXR look like a solid investment

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Old 19 August 2009, 12:04 PM
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Great reply Steve, 2004 RS6 is about 16k that's 40k+ in 4 years. Madness.
Old 19 August 2009, 12:07 PM
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What about this other VAG super saloon? Only 8000 miles, 4 doors and 195mph for that RS6 price (down from about 120k new)

Deca Motors International Ltd : BENTLEY FLYING SPUR
Old 19 August 2009, 12:21 PM
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now you are being silly!!
Old 19 August 2009, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MattW
now you are being silly!!
Oh go on. You know you want to. Then you'll have "made" it and can die a happy man!

PS: at least you won't have lost that first 60K+ in those 3 - 4 years!
Old 19 August 2009, 12:34 PM
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Just doesn't float my boat!
Old 19 August 2009, 12:47 PM
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I seriously contemplated going from my S4 to an RS6, but the running costs were too prohibitive. Something like £2.5K on brakes

Highest car tax bracket. high teens mpg (if you drive like Miss Daisy)

Plus the faulty DRC suspension issue that Audi STILL don't fix, just replace. BUT only if you've got a warranty. Otherwise again, circa £2K to replace until it breaks again.

Look HERE if you don't believe me and type in "DRC"

Don't get me wrong, they are fantastic cars, but when it goes wrong, bankruptcy will beckon. This put me off.

S4 is a MUCH safer bet.

DAn
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If you want to spunk all your money on a car, what about a VW Phaeton W12?

That should see you broke in about 16.5 days

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Old 19 August 2009, 01:03 PM
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Yeah I know all about the DRC it was one of the things that put me off an RS4.
Old 19 August 2009, 01:04 PM
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The new RS6 hasn't sold well. Over priced, oversized, and the an RS4 Avant is a better drivers car.

Would I? No.
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RS6 is just too damn heavy to be all that much fun. Yes it accelerates like a missile but 2 tonnes is very hard to fling around properly.
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Great stuff, now everytime i go and look at this i can check this thread out

Stoke Audi : AUDI RS6 Avant 5.0 T FSI V10 Avant
Old 19 August 2009, 04:00 PM
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It does look nice though................
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Originally Posted by geesta
It does look nice though................
Noooooooooooo!
Old 19 August 2009, 07:31 PM
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I like it....i would
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Can you replace the DRC with normal shocks ?

SBK
Old 20 August 2009, 11:17 AM
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Yes with coilovers for example.
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Originally Posted by MattW
Great stuff, now everytime i go and look at this i can check this thread out

Stoke Audi : AUDI RS6 Avant 5.0 T FSI V10 Avant
Do they REALLY need to list each seatbelt, the derestricted speed twice, body coloured bumpers, etc?!

Does make me laugh when they do that!

Nice example.
Old 20 August 2009, 12:44 PM
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Cut and paste much quickness.

Just had to read the first posts on the thread to regain sanity again
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The V10 is impressive, but a massive car. Perhaps if I could have found a good saloon I'd have got one, depreciation will be severe, but when you're getting so much discount off new for the Avants that are around, it might take the edge off it. DRC still isn't fixed though if it is still like the B7 RS4 which it seems to be.
Old 20 August 2009, 05:14 PM
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Audi appear to fix up to 5 years from new only if a full Audi SH is in place.
Old 20 August 2009, 05:42 PM
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Even with warranty it is a pain though, a friend has got through NINE sets of shocks even though he is a suspension expert and had to show the dealer how to do the replacement properly. This is on the old V8 model though, the new RS4/RS6 have a different central valve which I gather allows shocks to be replaced in pairs rather than fours.
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I've had a look at this car - with 2 young children the wife wanted a slightly bigger car than our Modded STI Forrester so my shopping list has been

BMWM5 Estate
RS6 Estate
RS4 Estate
C63 AMG Estate
E63 AMG Estate

Test drove an M5 Estate and it didnt feel that fast - plus the boot space seems very limited
RS6 Estate - havent driven one, dont need to - I've seen them on track (a 700bhp version at least).. they are way too heavy and laggy, and the depreciation looks terrible - wait another year and there will be ones £20k cheaper still. They look horrible
RS4 - a better time to buy as if you wait and shop they can be had at a reasonable price, but they are not that big inside and having driven one of these they dont feel like 414bhp - they are ok once they get going but feel like power is in the upper 300's - must be the weight factor. They look much nicer than the RS6 and you could have more fun on track than the RS6

Mercedes - am going to look at these over the weekend - the main issue is the ageism monica that you are assoicated with old people if you buy them. Still may look at a new one as I may be able to get up to a 30% discount through a Barter company that I cant get on the Beemer and Audi
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Hey Fangoria

I do like the look of the C63 but the saloon looks much more youthful. 30%!! sign me up

The RS4 feels like high 300's as many report from RR as high 300's stock. Plenty of sicussion on the RS forums, I have read it is due to the differing ways flywheel BHP has been calculated by Audi vs Tuners.
Old 21 August 2009, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by MattW
Hey Fangoria

I do like the look of the C63 but the saloon looks much more youthful. 30%!! sign me up

The RS4 feels like high 300's as many report from RR as high 300's stock. Plenty of sicussion on the RS forums, I have read it is due to the differing ways flywheel BHP has been calculated by Audi vs Tuners.
Don't make excuses, basically consensus is that their figures are bull$hit.
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LMAO I was being polite
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I'd be a bit miffed it my RS4 (if I had one) was that much down on power - same as earlier M3s. I do remember a mate who has one saying it didn't feel like it was kicking out anything near 414bhp. He MTM'd it.
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Meh, why not kick around in the gutter? A mere £30k gets you a S8 cockmeister: 5.2litres of lambo derived v10.

Unless you want to go all Jason Statham and have the W12 6.0 A8. Which although more expensive than a S8 new, can be had for a little as £20K.

Plenty about, as the bankers replace them as soon as the wheels get discoloured by the brake dust.
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