Fiesta ST / Mini Cooper /Ibiza 20v t
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Fiesta ST / Mini Cooper /Ibiza 20v t
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Just want some opinions on the cars above and if anyone has any experience with them?
My other half currently owns a Clio Sport 172 but she has decided that maybe it's not the car for her after 4 month's of ownership.
We had a look at some cars that are top of her list over the weekend.
Fiesta ST or even Zetec S (Both from new)
Mini Cooper Chilli Pack (used)
Ibiza 20v t - NOT CUPRA - (used)
From a personal point of view I'd rather she went for a Mini. She's liked them from day one but seem as the prices are coming down etc I think she would be daft not to buy one.
However, there is a soft spot for the Ibiza 20v T that I think will be cheaper in the long run but will loose money a hell of a lot quicker when it comes to selling up again.
Can anyone enlighten me on any of them? Cost, ownership, build & safety etc.
Thanks
Steve
Just want some opinions on the cars above and if anyone has any experience with them?
My other half currently owns a Clio Sport 172 but she has decided that maybe it's not the car for her after 4 month's of ownership.
We had a look at some cars that are top of her list over the weekend.
Fiesta ST or even Zetec S (Both from new)
Mini Cooper Chilli Pack (used)
Ibiza 20v t - NOT CUPRA - (used)
From a personal point of view I'd rather she went for a Mini. She's liked them from day one but seem as the prices are coming down etc I think she would be daft not to buy one.
However, there is a soft spot for the Ibiza 20v T that I think will be cheaper in the long run but will loose money a hell of a lot quicker when it comes to selling up again.
Can anyone enlighten me on any of them? Cost, ownership, build & safety etc.
Thanks
Steve
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Out of the 3, I'd go for the ST in Blue. The young lad in the office has just ordered one off the internet for £11k something. Buld quality of Fords are very good these days, and the exterior looks very nice IMO. Not the quickest about, but a very good car non the less.
As for the Mini, well, as said above, the new one is out soon, and to be honest I wouldn't buy the current Mini for one very good reason. The engine is cr@p. I read an article years ago when it first came out. An ex BMW engineer said that to cut costs to get the Mini to showrooms at a certain price, BMW handed engineers an old MG rover engine and told make it work. That little 1.6l engine weights the same as a Sierra Cosworth engine.
Only when the New Mini comes out, will it have a lighter engine in it. Even then, to reduce costs they've jointly developed the new mini engine with Peugeot.
As for the Mini, well, as said above, the new one is out soon, and to be honest I wouldn't buy the current Mini for one very good reason. The engine is cr@p. I read an article years ago when it first came out. An ex BMW engineer said that to cut costs to get the Mini to showrooms at a certain price, BMW handed engineers an old MG rover engine and told make it work. That little 1.6l engine weights the same as a Sierra Cosworth engine.
Only when the New Mini comes out, will it have a lighter engine in it. Even then, to reduce costs they've jointly developed the new mini engine with Peugeot.
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The mini will loose the least value out of all of those cars as it is the most desireable - As has been pointed out though the new one is coming out soon so you could wait till it is released and bag a bargain from the old stock.
My Wife has a fiesta finnesse - The bottom of the range and I am well impressed to be honest - They are good cars but it is likely to depreciate more. Apparently the ST's are cracking cars.
My Wife has a fiesta finnesse - The bottom of the range and I am well impressed to be honest - They are good cars but it is likely to depreciate more. Apparently the ST's are cracking cars.
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Originally Posted by ScooBStu
The mini will loose the least value out of all of those cars as it is the most desireable
They'll be ok for a few years yet, but it'll come
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'The mini will loose the least value out of all of those cars as it is the most desireable'
Yep but prices are finally softening, not the cast iron residual it was (still better than most) but the new model is due which will affect prices a bit.
Yep but prices are finally softening, not the cast iron residual it was (still better than most) but the new model is due which will affect prices a bit.
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Originally Posted by Spankathon
Why not a Cupra..?
The Ibiza that we we're looking had did not have a "cupra" badge but had the badges on the right hand side " 20v t" . It did have however the cupra r style wheels that you see on the Leon's.
Not up on the Seat range if I am honest. So it could well have been a Cupra?
I understand what your saying about the Mini and it will loose face once the new model is launched. But I fell that this will hold more value in say a years time when we go to sell the car on again.
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I have to agree there.
I love the look of the dial (Speedo) in the centre and those little switches remind me of a racing car. I looks like it could be nice on a long drive too.
We are going to have another look this Saturday morning at all three maybe four.
I'd still rather the mini on maybe the "S" 17" alloys.
Steve
I love the look of the dial (Speedo) in the centre and those little switches remind me of a racing car. I looks like it could be nice on a long drive too.
We are going to have another look this Saturday morning at all three maybe four.
I'd still rather the mini on maybe the "S" 17" alloys.
Steve
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Originally Posted by Stevesbluewrx
I have to agree there.
I love the look of the dial (Speedo) in the centre and those little switches remind me of a racing car. I looks like it could be nice on a long drive too.
We are going to have another look this Saturday morning at all three maybe four.
I'd still rather the mini on maybe the "S" 17" alloys.
Steve
I love the look of the dial (Speedo) in the centre and those little switches remind me of a racing car. I looks like it could be nice on a long drive too.
We are going to have another look this Saturday morning at all three maybe four.
I'd still rather the mini on maybe the "S" 17" alloys.
Steve
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Originally Posted by RAJ27
Nice interior, that's why I had a Cooper S. However, be warned about the S 17" alloys. The handling is better on the 16". If the 17"'s are running on run flats, then change the tyres.
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Originally Posted by Scoobless
I'm running on run flats on 16" in my MCS,and had to get two front tyres,the garage said they would only put run flats back on and said BMW wouldn't service my car if they weren't run flats
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Spend the day test driving all of them if you can. Anyone one of them have pros and cons. Folks like Minis, hate Minis, like Fords, hate fords etc etc..... It boils down to one simple choice, personal preference. Go test drive and make up your own mind . The Wife has a Cooper S and loves it, I perferred the RX-8 she test drove but at the end of the day she wanted the Mini.
Good luck searching, Wolfie.
Good luck searching, Wolfie.
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Thought the mini engine was a Chrysler engine? As for the facelift one,looks identical from what I have seen in mags.
Go for a cooper.Definately cheap now.Just to be difficult ask her to have a spin in the Fabia vRS.My wife did.Loved it,bought it,can't get her out of it now
Go for a cooper.Definately cheap now.Just to be difficult ask her to have a spin in the Fabia vRS.My wife did.Loved it,bought it,can't get her out of it now
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My Dad's got a new Fiesta 1.6 16V and I can't believe how much fun it is to drive and how much room it has.
Not driven the ST but imagine it's more of the same.
The mini seems a big car with no room to me, not as good to drive as the Fiesta IMO.
Ibiza I haven't driven but my wife has a Fabia, good car but steering has no feel and handling is numb.
Cheers
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Not driven the ST but imagine it's more of the same.
The mini seems a big car with no room to me, not as good to drive as the Fiesta IMO.
Ibiza I haven't driven but my wife has a Fabia, good car but steering has no feel and handling is numb.
Cheers
Lee
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Originally Posted by lozgti
Thought the mini engine was a Chrysler engine? As for the facelift one,looks identical from what I have seen in mags.
Go for a cooper.Definately cheap now.Just to be difficult ask her to have a spin in the Fabia vRS.My wife did.Loved it,bought it,can't get her out of it now
Go for a cooper.Definately cheap now.Just to be difficult ask her to have a spin in the Fabia vRS.My wife did.Loved it,bought it,can't get her out of it now
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Originally Posted by RAJ27
Nice interior, that's why I had a Cooper S. However, be warned about the S 17" alloys. The handling is better on the 16". If the 17"'s are running on run flats, then change the tyres.
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Originally Posted by mattsan
Why change the tyres? Would you like your other half to be stuck changing a wheel at the side of the road or waiting for the aa to come and do it,or just to be able to drive to a garage and get the tyre changed? Minis look great on 17s and handle great,anything smaller just looks like you couldn't afford to pay the extra when ordering new!
and even wrote a step by step guide for the missus
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