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11 February 2003, 07:42 AM
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Chap at work just bought a Cooper S, can't believe how much money you can add to the list price once you've filled it with toys.
Try over £5,000 in optional extras!
Nice car though.
Try over £5,000 in optional extras!
Nice car though.
11 February 2003, 12:45 PM
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what? Typically class leading? 
Don't forget your £5k worth of options will give you Climate Control, Full leather, Sat Nav, sports seats, sports suspension, 17" wheels, 5 years free servicing, class leading build quality, cast iron residuals, and about the best real world handling of any hot hatch ...all on a 160bhp/tonne hatch that has matched and frequently bettered other hot hatches costing far more
Try getting your VW/Audi hatch to that (warranty backed) PWR and spec for the right side of £20k
Don't forget your £5k worth of options will give you Climate Control, Full leather, Sat Nav, sports seats, sports suspension, 17" wheels, 5 years free servicing, class leading build quality, cast iron residuals, and about the best real world handling of any hot hatch ...all on a 160bhp/tonne hatch that has matched and frequently bettered other hot hatches costing far more
Try getting your VW/Audi hatch to that (warranty backed) PWR and spec for the right side of £20k
11 February 2003, 05:34 PM
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Selling my Mini Cooper
(52) Plate Nov 02
2700 miles Silver / Black Roof
Air Con, Pepper, Silver and Chrome Packs
Reverse Park control
TLC Pack
CD Player
£12650
Based in Kent, UK BMW SUPPLIED EMAIL ME : wish1672@hotmail.com
(52) Plate Nov 02
2700 miles Silver / Black Roof
Air Con, Pepper, Silver and Chrome Packs
Reverse Park control
TLC Pack
CD Player
£12650
Based in Kent, UK BMW SUPPLIED EMAIL ME : wish1672@hotmail.com
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11 February 2003, 06:50 PM
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Don't forget your £5k worth of options will give you Climate Control, Full leather, Sat Nav, sports seats, sports suspension, 17" wheels, 5 years free servicing, class leading build quality, cast iron residuals, and about the best real world handling of any hot hatch ...all on a 160bhp/tonne hatch that has matched and frequently bettered other hot hatches costing far more
11 February 2003, 06:53 PM
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An R32 @ £22,000 only has 2 options full leather and sat nav,
everything else is standard
no way is £20000 good value for money.....also by the time you add those options your residuals going to take a hammering,
you never get back anywhere near what you pay for options
everything else is standard
no way is £20000 good value for money.....also by the time you add those options your residuals going to take a hammering,
you never get back anywhere near what you pay for options
11 February 2003, 06:58 PM
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Just done 10000 in my Cooper S,
Agree about the build quality problems, mine's full of squeeks, it keeps going in to get things fixed, but I still enjoy driving it so much. BMW are really good aftersales, they always try their best in my experience.
I put £2k of extra's on mine.
Andy
Agree about the build quality problems, mine's full of squeeks, it keeps going in to get things fixed, but I still enjoy driving it so much. BMW are really good aftersales, they always try their best in my experience.
I put £2k of extra's on mine.
Andy
11 February 2003, 07:18 PM
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Thing is it doesn't have a 160BHP/Tonne to begin with more like 140ish!! Most of the things on yer list seemed to come for free with my clio.
11 February 2003, 07:22 PM
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I looked at getting a Cooper S - the one I specced was about £16.5k - which basically had everything you needed. 17s, xenons, half leather, cd player and a couple of other bits and bobs. How anyone could then add £4000+ to that figure is madness.
I did like it, but couldn't justify changing my 172 for one, considering it was the same spec, faster and a hell of a lot cheaper.
Chris
I did like it, but couldn't justify changing my 172 for one, considering it was the same spec, faster and a hell of a lot cheaper.
Chris
11 February 2003, 07:34 PM
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I was reading about that conversion - very interesting, and looks like it's going to be a hell of a lot cheaper than the official "works" conversion.
I was reading it invalidate the TLC package though
Chris
I was reading it invalidate the TLC package though
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12 February 2003, 09:12 AM
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Thing is it doesn't have a 160BHP/Tonne to begin with more like 140ish!!
Most of the things on yer list seemed to come for free with my clio.
Climate Control – no, only aircon
Full leather – no half leather
Sat Nav – no
sports seats – yes
sports suspension – yes but not as good as the Mini’s ‘sports suspension plus’
17" wheels – no only 16”
5 years free servicing – no it will cost him c£800
Furthermore his car is now worth c60% of what it cost him just over a year ago, Mrs C’s Mini Cooper is worth 98% of what it cost her 15 months ago
....and no, a £20k MINI is not good value, but a £14.5k CooperS is cracking value, and even if you add a couple of grand worth of sensible options to a CooperS it is still pretty much unbeatable, especially with residuals and servicing.
Mrs Cs std Cooper cost £14,750 15 months ago, she has been offered £14,500 px against a Demo CooperS
12 February 2003, 12:14 PM
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Well then you're comparing a standard Clio against a modded Cooper S.
Re. your list;
Climate control - my mk2 comes with this as standard, air con is a £600 option on the standard car, plus another 300 odd for climate.
Full Leather - The Clio actually has half leather, half alcantara suede. Nicer combo than full leather in a car like the Clio IMO.
Plus you have all the other bits that the Clio has as standard, than you need to pay for on the Mini - CD player with 6 disc changer, Xenons, more power etc.
The rest of the stuff about the suspension is personal opinion, but remember a lot of the magazines rate the Clio Cup as a better drive than the Cooper S.
Re. Residuals. Yes they are very good, but as supply frees up (it's now pretty much 2 months for any combo) and it meets demands the values can only go one way. Remember the Beetle when it first came out?
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Re. your list;
Climate control - my mk2 comes with this as standard, air con is a £600 option on the standard car, plus another 300 odd for climate.
Full Leather - The Clio actually has half leather, half alcantara suede. Nicer combo than full leather in a car like the Clio IMO.
Plus you have all the other bits that the Clio has as standard, than you need to pay for on the Mini - CD player with 6 disc changer, Xenons, more power etc.
The rest of the stuff about the suspension is personal opinion, but remember a lot of the magazines rate the Clio Cup as a better drive than the Cooper S.
Re. Residuals. Yes they are very good, but as supply frees up (it's now pretty much 2 months for any combo) and it meets demands the values can only go one way. Remember the Beetle when it first came out?
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12 February 2003, 12:52 PM
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I was just responding to the "Most of the things on yer list seemed to come for free with my clio." comment
The spec of of Std vs Std in virtually identical
but the options tend to be cheaper on the MINI
and, non-leading, purely out of interest, which magazines rate the Clio better? Evo, Autocar and Car put the S ahead both in VFM and on the road?
The Clio is a nice little car, but gets betrayed by it's cheaper underpinings. As most magazines have said, the new MINI has reset the benchmark for 'supermini' and particularly hot hatch variants.
The residuals may start to suffer, but there's still no sign of it - Mrs C's car value is proof of that The Cooper is almost 2 years old, and waiting lists are down to 2 months, but with the right spec is almost holding is purchase price (WITH OPTIONS!) after 15 months
The spec of of Std vs Std in virtually identical
but the options tend to be cheaper on the MINI and, non-leading, purely out of interest, which magazines rate the Clio better? Evo, Autocar and Car put the S ahead both in VFM and on the road?
The Clio is a nice little car, but gets betrayed by it's cheaper underpinings. As most magazines have said, the new MINI has reset the benchmark for 'supermini' and particularly hot hatch variants.
The residuals may start to suffer, but there's still no sign of it - Mrs C's car value is proof of that
The Cooper is almost 2 years old, and waiting lists are down to 2 months, but with the right spec is almost holding is purchase price (WITH OPTIONS!) after 15 months
12 February 2003, 01:15 PM
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"The spec of of Std vs Std in virtually identical"
I wouldn't really say that, considering;
Clio Mini
Xenons Std £350
CD Player Std £205
Leather Std £360 for half, £890 for full
Climate Std £830
Plus my Clio came with a 6CD Changer as well, costs an extra £235 on the Mini.
A lot of the magazines say that the Cup is the better car over the Cooper S, and in any reviews the gap between the std 172 and Cooper S is always very small.
I maintain that the weakest link in the Mini package is the engine, it betrays its budget origins too much.
The Mini is a bit of a fashion victim too, it just has the advantage of being dynamically far superior to most of its class.
Chris
I wouldn't really say that, considering;
Clio Mini
Xenons Std £350
CD Player Std £205
Leather Std £360 for half, £890 for full
Climate Std £830
Plus my Clio came with a 6CD Changer as well, costs an extra £235 on the Mini.
A lot of the magazines say that the Cup is the better car over the Cooper S, and in any reviews the gap between the std 172 and Cooper S is always very small.
I maintain that the weakest link in the Mini package is the engine, it betrays its budget origins too much.
The Mini is a bit of a fashion victim too, it just has the advantage of being dynamically far superior to most of its class.
Chris
12 February 2003, 02:20 PM
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i agree that 15-16k is good value and i don't think you need to spend £1500 to release more power - aparently you only need to change the exhaust the release alot more power according to AMD
12 February 2003, 02:32 PM
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"The spec of of Std vs Std in virtually identical"
I wouldn't really say that, considering;
Clio Mini
Xenons Std £350
CD Player Std £205
Leather Std £360 for half, £890 for full
Climate Std £830
I wouldn't really say that, considering;
Clio Mini
Xenons Std £350
CD Player Std £205
Leather Std £360 for half, £890 for full
Climate Std £830
CooperS list - £14,500
Use the £1000 difference to get the Chilli Pack and you match the 172 for spec (except the CD) and get other items on top (Traction Control, 17" wheels, further uprated suspension, Trip Computer, etc) plus the ownership benefits.
A lot of the magazines say that the Cup is the better car over the Cooper S, and in any reviews the gap between the std 172 and Cooper S is always very small.
smanning - no connection to BMW, I drive a Merc M-Class and a Westfield. Just objective all round and take each car on it merits without bias!
12 February 2003, 02:32 PM
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nice little BMW hatch back for sure.
ain't no mini though! no a-series engine ffs!
(before any of you start saying "but they put other engines in minis!" - they are all bad *** conversions so
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weava
ain't no mini though! no a-series engine ffs!
(before any of you start saying "but they put other engines in minis!" - they are all bad *** conversions so
!weava
12 February 2003, 03:17 PM
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The Clio's list price is now £14,595. Bear in mind you could probably haggle this down a bit too.
The Spec of £16.5k I did basically was the spec of my 172, with the addition of Traction control and 17" Wheels instead of 16". The Clio had a 6 disc changer, and half alcantara seats over this spec though. Suspension is a different matter, as I've yet to test if the Sports Suspension Plus actually makes a difference.
With regards the reviews, the Autocar I have sitting in from of me from 7th August says "when it comes to the raw essentials of what defines a great hot hatch drive, the Renault Clio Cup tries harder and goes further than the Mini [Cooper S]. In the end it's an easy, if controversial decision: the Clio wins"
Chris
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