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Old 16 December 2013, 01:10 PM
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The UN thinks we're all negligent
Old 16 December 2013, 01:11 PM
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ok, what i miss? lol
Old 16 December 2013, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
The UN thinks we're all negligent

We are to a certain extent culpable too!
Old 16 December 2013, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
We are to a certain extent culpable too!
The UN toothless tiger makes us culpable?

They have the power to do much more but instead sit on the fence.
Old 16 December 2013, 03:48 PM
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The government can give some of the money they saved by not bombing the **** out of it after Cameron lost his vote
Old 16 December 2013, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
The UN toothless tiger makes us culpable?

They have the power to do much more but instead sit on the fence.

Its only power comes through its members, we are an important member...
Old 16 December 2013, 03:59 PM
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Old 16 December 2013, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Its only power comes through its members, we are an important member...
The rampant corruption, the hand cuff rules of engagement and fact that they never blame anyone incase they offend!

We may be on the Security Council but every vote is vetoed by the Rusians or Chinese. The writing is on the wall for the talks in January already, even the French have given up.
Old 16 December 2013, 04:54 PM
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Maybe we should keep our noses out and leave Assad to it, I don't understand why Cameron wants to align us with the rebels anyway, when they are the very people our own troops are trying to avoid getting killed by in Afghanistan
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News reports say we have contributed £50 million in aid. That is a fair whack of taxpayer's money in my book. Nobody likes it when we go in with military force, (and maybe it's time we stopped being a global policeman). And when we dip into our pocket it's never enough.

Is Iraq or Afghanistan a better place for our military intervention? Plenty of media strories say not. Enough of our blood has been spilt fighting other peoples' wars.

As for financial support, look at the millions and millions of pounds we have sent to impoverished regions of Africa over the last 50 years. Is the problem of starving children fixed? No.

You know what the hard lesson to be learnt from this is?
It's never been enough, and it's never ever going to be enough.

I'm not saying I begrudge overseas aid, nor that we should stop sending it, but there has to be a limit.
Old 16 December 2013, 06:12 PM
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Whenever there is a question of over where or who the money is going to I won't donate. Syria is a prime example.

Many charities are bad enough on their own, let alone war-torn states or a civil war with "rebels" of dubious intentions.
Old 16 December 2013, 06:15 PM
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I won't be giving a penny. My charity is taking care of all in my own bubble.

Selfish? probably. I'll get over it.
Old 16 December 2013, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
The government can give some of the money they saved by not bombing the **** out of it after Cameron lost his vote
True, very true but then some of our construction companies wouldn't make loads of money rebuilding it
Old 16 December 2013, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
Whenever there is a question of over where or who the money is going to I won't donate. Syria is a prime example.

Many charities are bad enough on their own, let alone war-torn states or a civil war with "rebels" of dubious intentions.
Did anyone see Panorama last week? lots of these so called charities are making people abroad very rich.
Old 17 December 2013, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
Did anyone see Panorama last week? lots of these so called charities are making people abroad very rich.
I have observed behind the scenes in one of these organisations from an IT consultant perspective.
After witnessing how they operate, I would not give a penny to charity.
Old 17 December 2013, 12:49 PM
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I am not a selfish person. I give to charity, to genuine homeless and needy people I come across. Have been known to by food for homeless people instead of giving money but I can say with no shame or embarrassment that I will not be giving a penny to Syria!
Old 17 December 2013, 01:05 PM
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If I knew every penny of what I gave would be going to the 100s of thousands who have fled the country in genuine fear for their lives, and are now huddled together in tent cities in the desert, I'd gladly donate a few quid. Sadly though, this is very unlikely to be the case (I doubt even a quarter of it would end up there), so I'll probably be sticking with what the UK govt have already paid on my behalf through my taxes.
Old 17 December 2013, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
We are to a certain extent culpable too!
We told em to have a civil war. ?
Old 17 December 2013, 01:09 PM
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just to add fuel to the fire,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25414779
Old 17 December 2013, 01:23 PM
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I only give to the big cat charities so the question is irrelevant to me
Old 18 December 2013, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by dpb
We told em to have a civil war. ?
Martin won't answer this as he's too busy posting childish comments elsewhere and making a hash of using the quote function while doing it as usual
Old 18 December 2013, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Martin won't answer this as he's too busy posting childish comments elsewhere and making a hash of using the quote function while doing it as usual
I think you are confusing the word 'childish' with 'accurate'
Old 18 December 2013, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
I think you are confusing the word 'childish' with 'accurate'
Nope, I know what I meant! Conisdering you don't seem to know what you mean from one day to the next please don't make the mistake of trying to tell me what I meant. Childish it is

Anyway your public awaits you answer to the question here! Now which way is the wind blowing I wonder

PS well done on the quote function this time, it'll be joined up writing next
Old 18 December 2013, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Nope, I know what I meant! Conisdering you don't seem to know what you mean from one day to the next please don't make the mistake of trying to tell me what I meant. Childish it is

Anyway your public awaits you answer to the question here! Now which way is the wind blowing I wonder

PS well done on the quote function this time, it'll be joined up writing next
I don't know what you are talking about but why do you have to introduce personal insults to what is really quite a serious thread? Ironic that you accuse someone else of childish behaviour

Putting aside some valid comments about some aid not being used properly the fact remains that there are a lot of people who are freezing with no heat, power, clean water or food. Terrified to leave their homes, if they have a home left, and hoping against hope that someone will provide some basic food to keep them alive.

I was one of those who thought that we should not get involved in the conflict and even felt that the Russians might have been right to support the Assad regime as that was the lesser of two evils. Now the country is, I dread to think, beyond redemption.

I have no answers except to hope and perhaps send some money to a decent charity.

My condolences to the family of that orthopaedic surgeon who ried to help. I would be too cowardly to do what he tried.

What a f,ucking nightmare.

David
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Be aware of this too.
You could walk into the shop of one of these big charities and tell give them X amount of pound for a particular 'disaster'.
They will take your money, but they will not do with it as you request, they will do with it as they wish.
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Originally Posted by urban
Be aware of this too.
You could walk into the shop of one of these big charities and tell give them X amount of pound for a particular 'disaster'.
They will take your money, but they will not do with it as you request, they will do with it as they wish.
Every things so ******* corrupt nowadays, it's a sad state of affairs when even the bigger charities suffer from this.

Think the RNLI will be my main charity from now on.
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Originally Posted by David Lock
I don't know what you are talking about but why do you have to introduce personal insults to what is really quite a serious thread? Ironic that you accuse someone else of childish behaviour
Nothing to do with you so let it go!

Originally Posted by David Lock
Putting aside some valid comments about some aid not being used properly the fact remains that there are a lot of people who are freezing with no heat, power, clean water or food. Terrified to leave their homes, if they have a home left, and hoping against hope that someone will provide some basic food to keep them alive.

I was one of those who thought that we should not get involved in the conflict and even felt that the Russians might have been right to support the Assad regime as that was the lesser of two evils. Now the country is, I dread to think, beyond redemption.

I have no answers except to hope and perhaps send some money to a decent charity.

My condolences to the family of that orthopaedic surgeon who ried to help. I would be too cowardly to do what he tried.

What a f,ucking nightmare.

David
Yes and this is repeated in many places across the world to lesser and greater degrees because human beings are basically not very nice!

Hence why I give my money to big cat charities!
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
Every things so ******* corrupt nowadays, it's a sad state of affairs when even the bigger charities suffer from this.

Think the RNLI will be my main charity from now on.
I was totally shocked at what I witnessed overall.

The only way I'd want to give money to charity now, is to place it in the receivers hand.
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