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Old 18 September 2012, 11:39 AM
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Default Mitt Romney - what a cluster-fool

Some interesting news from the US today….
Mitt Romney caught on ‘secret camera’ describing Obama’s supporters as non-taxpaying, state reliant scroungers. He’s is referring to very nearly half of Americans btw.
Seems that Mr Romney only wants to be president of half of America! Hopefully this is the final nail in this clowns electoral chances.
Old 18 September 2012, 12:09 PM
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the American dream - so called because you need to be asleep to believe it

hope he wins btw
Old 18 September 2012, 12:16 PM
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I think the American political system is seriously flawed. It is all about the victory and nothing to do with policy.
Old 18 September 2012, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
the American dream - so called because you need to be asleep to believe it

hope he wins btw

seriously???
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My money's on Obama.

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Originally Posted by David Lock
My money's on Obama.

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I can't believe the Yanks are that crazy to think Romney would be a good choice over Obama.
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What a ****
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
seriously???
when I was travelling in India as a young man (with a group of friends) - we would often meet young trainee doctors

(as I am sure you are aware the medical profession is revered in India -and we often used the old “medical student” trick to get to the front of queues etc)

Anyway, when we asked about medical training in India (i.e. why come all the way to India etc) they would often say

“Well in India you see relatively minor (in western eyes) medical conditions progress to their natural, often fatal state – i.e. minor cuts and bruises, diarrhoea, general malnutrition, rickets etc”

This, they said was difficult to replicate in England because things get treated way before they get to a fatal state, so it was a chance for them to get experience in these things (gangrene, fatal dehydration, leprosy etc etc)

In the same way, I am interested in what happens when you have a government ruthlessly looking after the interest of the top 10% and takes things further than you ever thought possible

I wonder what it takes for America to wake up from their "dream"

interesting don't you think?

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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
when I was travelling in India as a young man (with a group of friends) - we would often meet young trainee doctors

(as I am sure you are aware the medical profession is revered in India -and we often used the old “medical student” trick to get to the front of queues etc)

Anyway, when we asked about medical training in India (why etc) they would often say

“Well in India you see relatively minor (in western eyes) medical conditions progress the their natural, often fatal state – i.e. minor cuts and bruises, diarrhoea, general malnutrition, rickets etc”

This, they said was difficult to replicate in England because things get treated way before they get to a fatal state, so it was a chance for them to get experience in these things (gangrene, fatal dehydration, leprosy etc etc)

In the same way, I am interested in what happens when you have a government ruthlessly looking after the interest of the top 10% and takes things further than you ever thought possible

I wonder what it takes for America to wake up from their "dream"

interesting don't you think?
I'm sure the 90% will share your sense of curiosity
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Originally Posted by Gear Head
I think the American political system is seriously flawed. It is all about the victory and nothing to do with policy.
And Cameron, Clegg and Milliband's outfits are different how?
Old 18 September 2012, 02:57 PM
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And he's going to reverse all the health reforms too, maybe people will actually start dying on their feet in a first world country

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the Medical students won't need to go to India too
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
And Cameron, Clegg and Milliband's outfits are different how?
Well the main thing Is that whilst we have a coalition, they at least represent tha majority of people who actually bothered to vote last time out.

In the US, don't forgeth they compete for the votes of the states. So you can become President because you won the most states but in reality more of the population voted for the other guy. America is not technically a democracy. We do at least have that.

5t.
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The main problem I have with the American Presidential system is that you have to have a huge sh1tload of ca$h to run for president. It costs many multi millions of $$ to run for POTUS.

It's basically turning into who has the most money buys their way into the White House.

Democracy?
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Quite a brave thing to say, I chuckled when I heard it.

The problem with socialised medicine is that a few do completely hog the available resources and their thirst for them is massive, often misusing the services. It is my opinion that unmetered care free at the point of need has devalued such care, and the disconnection between personal responsibility and resource use is far more of a problem than genuinely ill people needing the service who should always be protected. The present US system is no panacea though.
Old 18 September 2012, 05:55 PM
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Don`t know why anyone is interested what happens in the U.S. They have no interest in U.K. politics, or any other unless it means declaring war. Most Americans I speak to don`t even know the difference between the U.K. Britain or England. Bunch of ignorant ***** most of them.
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Originally Posted by john banks
Quite a brave thing to say, I chuckled when I heard it.

The problem with socialised medicine is that a few do completely hog the available resources and their thirst for them is massive, often misusing the services. It is my opinion that unmetered care free at the point of need has devalued such care, and the disconnection between personal responsibility and resource use is far more of a problem than genuinely ill people needing the service who should always be protected. The present US system is no panacea though.
i was talking to a friend (who is a GP) he pretty much confirms what you say (which came as no surprise)

that 20% of people take up 80% of his time -- and by and large they are the same people, notwithstanding the elderly, who obviously are more demanding on healthcare.

I don't know much about the french system, but it seems to get a good press
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He has got that sort of a look about him,especially when he is shaking hands with the punters, that I would not trust for a moment! Looks just like a politician in fact!

Les
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Originally Posted by fivetide
Well the main thing Is that whilst we have a coalition, they at least represent tha majority of people who actually bothered to vote last time out.

In the US, don't forgeth they compete for the votes of the states. So you can become President because you won the most states but in reality more of the population voted for the other guy. America is not technically a democracy. We do at least have that.

5t.
but isn't that the same with the UK system where we have "seats"? A party can have the most seats, but still have a minority of overall votes.
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I always thought the title of President was pretty much a bought one... Seems the more money you have, the greater the chance of getting it. Bush Jnr is evidence of this, he's the stupidest person in the whole of North America!
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Americans like their presidents stupid

Both Romney and Kerry before him, have had to actively play down the fact that they speak a foreign language (both speak French)

Increasingly America is becoming a fundementalist culture of anti education, anti science

Witness the teaching of creationism as part of school science lessons

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Bring back Ronnie and Maggie, they never did any harm
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Originally Posted by wayne9t9
Don`t know why anyone is interested what happens in the U.S. They have no interest in U.K. politics, or any other unless it means declaring war. Most Americans I speak to don`t even know the difference between the U.K. Britain or England. Bunch of ignorant ***** most of them.
I can't think why anyone would be interested in who is going to be the next leader of the free world!
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Originally Posted by Nimbus
but isn't that the same with the UK system where we have "seats"? A party can have the most seats, but still have a minority of overall votes.
It's a lot harder here.

Think how many 'seats' we have v the number of states and the difference is huge.

5t.
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What does cluster-fool mean?

Is that American speak for ********?

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Originally Posted by wayne9t9
Most Americans I speak to don`t even know the difference between the U.K. Britain or England.
What surprises me is that you think most British people know the differences. I reckon as many of 75% of British people you ask to explain the difference between Great Britain and the United Kingdom couldn't tell you, or would just be guessing. Which sort of makes it a moot point. Americans are certainly insular but don't think that the majority of this country's population aren't also much more ignorant than you might imagine.
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politition being caught saying summit he shouldn't have? lol nothing new there.

what shocked me was that people were actually willing to pay $50k to have a seat to listen to him waffle :O
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Politics is big business, never forget that.
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