Camoron's justice u-turn!
08 June 2011, 11:48 AM
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Camoron's justice u-turn!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/b...justice-u-turn
makes an interesting read, how about instead of cutting sentences they give a longer sentence for this that plead not guilty but are proved to be guilty. Oh and build some more prisons (if overcrowding is an issue) for the scumbags so they can be kept away from decent, law abiding folk folk.
Camoron needs to man-up because he is looking and sounding a lot like Bliar and flash!
makes an interesting read, how about instead of cutting sentences they give a longer sentence for this that plead not guilty but are proved to be guilty. Oh and build some more prisons (if overcrowding is an issue) for the scumbags so they can be kept away from decent, law abiding folk folk.
Camoron needs to man-up because he is looking and sounding a lot like Bliar and flash!
08 June 2011, 11:57 AM
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Even the Daily Torygraph sees straight through the spin http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ad-guilty.html
Sadiq Khan, the shadow justice secretary, claimed that the policy showed that Conservatives could no longer be trusted on law and order. i agree fully although it might carry some weight if it wasn't from NL who, lets face it, where not exactly tough on crime or it's causes...
Sadiq Khan, the shadow justice secretary, claimed that the policy showed that Conservatives could no longer be trusted on law and order. i agree fully although it might carry some weight if it wasn't from NL who, lets face it, where not exactly tough on crime or it's causes...
08 June 2011, 12:31 PM
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All very well this u-turn, but will the gulible and soft Judges actually ever dish out any decent sentances?
Last year NO-ONE got the maximum sentance for either burglary or knife crime.
Whatever your views on rehabilitation just simply having the scumbags out of soceity for the maximum time helps normal people
Last year NO-ONE got the maximum sentance for either burglary or knife crime.
Whatever your views on rehabilitation just simply having the scumbags out of soceity for the maximum time helps normal people
08 June 2011, 12:42 PM
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I think its just Cameron had let Clarke take the lead and when he came up with this policy that was so clearly unpopular, Cameron had to take over and say no.
If you jailed people at the rate they did at the start of the 20th Century you would have over 350000 prisoners, not 89000.....
If you jailed people at the rate they did at the start of the 20th Century you would have over 350000 prisoners, not 89000.....
08 June 2011, 01:43 PM
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If a scum-bag gets sentenced to, say, 5 years, he/she should serve 5 years. If they don't behave in prison they get time added on. Simples.
Not enough prison spaces? Start putting 3 to, what is now, a 2-man cell. That'll increase the available spaces by, say, 30% (allowing for some cells that really wouldn't fit 3). Still not enough? Build some more! Simples.
Cameron U-turn? Sounds like Billy Liar? Said so before the election. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. Though that applies to about 99.99% of all politicians IMHO. They have no interest in what we want or need, merely their own advancement.
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Not enough prison spaces? Start putting 3 to, what is now, a 2-man cell. That'll increase the available spaces by, say, 30% (allowing for some cells that really wouldn't fit 3). Still not enough? Build some more! Simples.
Cameron U-turn? Sounds like Billy Liar? Said so before the election. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. Though that applies to about 99.99% of all politicians IMHO. They have no interest in what we want or need, merely their own advancement.
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looks like he did finally 'man-up' now perhpas he can use the same sense over Europe - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-2294472.html
Millibland - what a joke now sure how he has the bare faced cheek to take any moral high ground given his involvement with the last shower of ***** in power.
Millibland - what a joke now sure how he has the bare faced cheek to take any moral high ground given his involvement with the last shower of ***** in power.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/b...justice-u-turn
makes an interesting read, how about instead of cutting sentences they give a longer sentence for this that plead not guilty but are proved to be guilty.
makes an interesting read, how about instead of cutting sentences they give a longer sentence for this that plead not guilty but are proved to be guilty.
People don't like the idea of cutting sentences, but the policy isn't completely stupid. Especially in some crimes an incentive to plead guilty at an early stage in say a rape case would spare the victim having to relive it all in court and have their character assasinated by a defence council.
The simple solution would have been to bump up sentences and so the 'discount' would be the same as what they get now but harsher for those that try to get away with it/cost the crown more to prosecute them.
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