Simon C

Almost 10 years ago I bought myself a Gibson SG in matt black with rosewood fret board as a restoration project with intent of relearning how to play.

I've never touched it since I bought it, and I'm now going to get rid. It could do with all the paint stripping off it and a total overhall. I'm told its on twin PAFs what ever that means. I know it refers to the pickups.

Anyone know how much its worth roughly as I have no idea.

Bonehead

Go on the official Gibson website
There's a link on there where you can check the age of your guitar with the guitars serial number (Gibsons, I think, are on the back of the headstock)
Then do a bit of a check on t'internet or see how much they're going for on ebay and you should get an idea of value.

If it was a Strat I could give you an idea as I'm a Fender guy but I'm not that up on Gibsons

Simon C

Cheers Bonehead. I can make out 7 of the 8 stammed numbers, it would take paint stripper to read the first 1.

The 7 I can read are 0258596 in ydddyrrr (r being the factory). That makes it either a 1988 or 1998 model. Being on Pafs I'm guessing 88. It would take paint stripper to read the first digit.

Or its a complete fake.

DCI Gene Hunt

£30 - this is scoobynet, everyone's an expert

Steve T

iTrader: (14)

When Gibson first introduced their humbucking pickups they were called PAF,s (Patent applied for.) I think that these pickups were made around the late 50,s to early 60,s. If they are genuine they are much sought after by guitar enthusiast,s. Can,t give you a value though . Steve.

Simon C

Would you recognize them if I strip it and get photo's? I wouldn't know where to start on this. Guessing a very full ebay discription is the only way of covering myself. I know it plays well according to a band I used to photograph, I leant it to 1 of their guitarists

RJM25R

iTrader: (1)

How much did you pAy when you bought it? That would give you an idea. I have a PRS personally, not a big Gibson fan.

Steve T

iTrader: (14)

Found this.
The strange name (PAF) of the pickup was not intentional. Gibson and Seth Lover first filed a patent on the design on June 22, 1955. After that, Gibson Les Pauls were equipped with these new pickups, with a sticker on a bottom plate of a pickup that said Patent Applied For. A patent was eventually issued on July 28, 1959. Since it took more than four years to get a patent number, the unnamed pickup had been dubbed "PAF" by many guitarists in that period during which the pending application and this naming continued even after the patent had been issued.
PAF pickups can usually be identified by their look: they have two internal coil bobbins under a 1.5" x 2.75" metal cover with one bobbin having a row of six adjustable pole pieces, with the other bobbin having non-adjustable pole pieces. Standard PAF pickups had 5000 or so turns[1] of wire on a bobbin and a DC resistance of 7.5 kΩ (early pickups range from 7.5 kΩ to 9.0 kΩ). Steve.

Simon C

Can't remember TBH, hence really out of my depth. Don't want to list it as somethign its not.

Simon C

Mmm this may be a fake, I can't see Gibson stuff being this badly made, or somones hacked it.

Pickups back


Front


internal wiring


Edit:
On further reading it may be a frakenstein. The Head and neck I think are genuine, but I think the body has been replaced and repainted by a hack.

DCI Gene Hunt

So my £30 isn't far off then

dantastic

Is the neck a set neck or is there a metal back plate where the neck joins the body?
all Gibson's have a set neck so there should be no back plate.

Bonehead

By the sound of it I would suggest you go to your local guitar shop and show the guitar to their repairer, or check your local ads to see if there are any guitar repaires/restorers and they'll be able to tell you what it is for sure.

Showing picks and brief descriptions on here you're gonna end up with all kinds of different ideas of what it is

Simon C

Sorry to bump an oldish thread, but I sold this on ebay last week. Anyway the guy came to pick it up today and got talking to him. He said a few things and I've just googled them.



HOLY wow, turns out hes the freaking guitarist for Samson!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Oliver

Glad we got talking now.

thesyn

Cool, always good to meet proper musicians.

Did you figure out whether it was a Gibson or not?

Simon C

Came to the conclusion that head and neck were originals and the body was the fake bit. Still Graham is going to get it refurbed and then he will gig it and crossed fingers I'll be taking the pics

vindaloo

Nope, sorry, the X and the M are nowhere near each othr on my keyboard. So is it Saxon, "747 Strangers in the Night" or Samson... erm, Paul Samson's band I have heard of but never erm... heard?

J.

Simon C

Samson was correct, most people know of them as it was Bruce Dickinson's (of Iron Maiden fame) first big vocal band.