Feel free to kill your local paedophile!
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Feel free to kill your local paedophile!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11088841
You may have your own opinions but some things bother me about this
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1. I think he was know by his local 'community'
"The truth was that Amir was a predatory paedophile who preyed on young boys in his own community and groomed them in order that he might sexually assault and rape them."
2.The knife fatally injured the school worker when he "lunged" at the "devout, humble Muslim" teenager, the court heard.
Why was a 'devout,humble Muslim' teenager carrying a knife??
Looks like a set-up to me.
You may have your own opinions but some things bother me about this
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1. I think he was know by his local 'community'
"The truth was that Amir was a predatory paedophile who preyed on young boys in his own community and groomed them in order that he might sexually assault and rape them."
2.The knife fatally injured the school worker when he "lunged" at the "devout, humble Muslim" teenager, the court heard.
Why was a 'devout,humble Muslim' teenager carrying a knife??
Looks like a set-up to me.
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These things are always hard to comment on. Full facts are never reported in an unbiased manner
Suppose the only positive outcome is that it would appear that a sexual predator is no longer with us. Let's just hope he has not been replaced by someone else who is a murderer.
Suppose the only positive outcome is that it would appear that a sexual predator is no longer with us. Let's just hope he has not been replaced by someone else who is a murderer.
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Fact 1. Guy was carrying a knife.
Fact 2. Guy produced knife, albeit in apparant self-defence.
Fact 3. Guy stabbed another human.
Fact 4. Said human died.
I cannot see how on earth this is anything other than manslaughter or something of that ilk.
By this logic, he could have pulled out a bazzuka, and launched a rocket through him and have done "nothing wrong".
Something fishy going on here.
Fact 2. Guy produced knife, albeit in apparant self-defence.
Fact 3. Guy stabbed another human.
Fact 4. Said human died.
I cannot see how on earth this is anything other than manslaughter or something of that ilk.
By this logic, he could have pulled out a bazzuka, and launched a rocket through him and have done "nothing wrong".
Something fishy going on here.
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Also, you can just see it now:
Court: So Mr Scumbo, is it true you were walking to a nighclub with a knife in your pocket?
Scumbo: Yeah, that's true.
Court: Is it also true that you had a confrontation with another man?
Scumbo: Yeah.
Court: Is it true that you produced your knife and stabbed him in the neck, causing him to die?
Scumbo: Yeah, but he had his **** out and said he was going to bum me.
Court: Oh well then, that's fine. On your way laddy.
Court: So Mr Scumbo, is it true you were walking to a nighclub with a knife in your pocket?
Scumbo: Yeah, that's true.
Court: Is it also true that you had a confrontation with another man?
Scumbo: Yeah.
Court: Is it true that you produced your knife and stabbed him in the neck, causing him to die?
Scumbo: Yeah, but he had his **** out and said he was going to bum me.
Court: Oh well then, that's fine. On your way laddy.
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The more dead paedos the better as far as I'm concerned - however they end up dead
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The boy told the jury: "I genuinely thought that he would either rape me or if I refused he would kill me.
Good enough reason to kill the paedo me thinks. What would you do saxo boy bend over and take it
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Ian Huntley was tried and convicted in a court of law (not that that means much, but that's another topic). This guy was not. I am as worried about paedo's as the next guy but you cannot take the law into your own hands and go stabbing people.
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I'd leave, I'm the guy with the knife remember. It's a pretty commanding position to be in as you back out of the door swinging it in front of you so that they guy will get hurt if he comes into range. I'd then call the police.
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One less Peado is no bad thing ...
Why was the "kid" carrying a knife though & why shouldn't it be taken in to account ie no knife = no dead person
Perhaps it was one of those religeous knives
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Perhaps it was one of those religeous knives
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Let's have a look at this bit from the story:
In other words, they knew exactly what the man was, but went to his house anyway. I would consider it at least as likely that the two boys went along with the express purpose of either robbing him (he'd be unlikely to go to the police) or at the least having a spot of humiliation. Since it's likely that the two were accomplices, it's also pretty unlikely that either told the truth in court, but we'll never know. Even if their story is true, to go to a known rapist's house, carrying a weapon in case that attack you, hardly makes you innocent in the normal meaning of the word. Defending yourself is one thing; inviting an attack while armed to retaliate is a little more complicated.
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The jury heard the victim had invited the defendant and another boy to his home to smoke shisha pipes and had shown them pornography and had proposed to carry out sex acts on them.
The defendant said he was armed in case the victim forced him into "sexual acts" and had asked the older man to "back off".
The defendant said he was armed in case the victim forced him into "sexual acts" and had asked the older man to "back off".
In other words, they knew exactly what the man was, but went to his house anyway. I would consider it at least as likely that the two boys went along with the express purpose of either robbing him (he'd be unlikely to go to the police) or at the least having a spot of humiliation. Since it's likely that the two were accomplices, it's also pretty unlikely that either told the truth in court, but we'll never know. Even if their story is true, to go to a known rapist's house, carrying a weapon in case that attack you, hardly makes you innocent in the normal meaning of the word. Defending yourself is one thing; inviting an attack while armed to retaliate is a little more complicated.
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Well I should imagine they were 'lured' by the prospect of free drugs!
Not so far from a sweety is it really?
Vigilanteism is scary though. Where does it stop? Does Joe Bloggs have the right to knife me if I pass his house doing twice the speed limit? Not a good means to this end but no-one can deny it's no loss to society.
Not so far from a sweety is it really?
Vigilanteism is scary though. Where does it stop? Does Joe Bloggs have the right to knife me if I pass his house doing twice the speed limit? Not a good means to this end but no-one can deny it's no loss to society.
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It would appear that the boys knew the man for what he was and it is surprising that they went to his house. It might have been difficult for them to refuse for some reason. The lad seems to have taken the knife to use in self defence and when the paedo made the move towards him he struck out to save himself from being raped or whatever. We don't know whether he intended to kill the paedo. There seems to have been no doubt what the paedo wanted to do anyway.
I have to say that would be absolute anathema to me and if I was in that lad's position I would have done anything to resist the paedo's advances. He had warned the paedo to back off but when he continued with his advances he defended himself with the knife. That was really the only way he could have stopped him since he was continuing with the attacking actions.
I find I agree with the judge and that the lad cannot effectively be held guilty of murder or manslaughter since he was defending himself from being raped or even killed.
If you don't agree, try to put yourself in the same position as that lad at the time.
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I have to say that would be absolute anathema to me and if I was in that lad's position I would have done anything to resist the paedo's advances. He had warned the paedo to back off but when he continued with his advances he defended himself with the knife. That was really the only way he could have stopped him since he was continuing with the attacking actions.
I find I agree with the judge and that the lad cannot effectively be held guilty of murder or manslaughter since he was defending himself from being raped or even killed.
If you don't agree, try to put yourself in the same position as that lad at the time.
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I have to say that would be absolute anathema to me and if I was in that lad's position I would have done anything to resist the paedo's advances. He had warned the paedo to back off but when he continued with his advances he defended himself with the knife. That was really the only way he could have stopped him since he was continuing with the attacking actions.
As others have mentioned, why go there in the 1st place
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As Meridian said, why go somewhere where you need to arm yourself? Why put yourself in that situation? They were "invited" not forced to go as stated. It sounds much more like a convenient opportunity for the boys to be able to attack/kill the paedo and cover it as "self defence". Why else would you go with a knife?
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Just in case he turns odd I'll take me knife.
If you can read the "news" article it seems to suggest there was no previous suggestion that the paedo was a paedo - Just a like minded muslim wanting to smoke some pot.
I get the impression a lot of youngsters carry knives for protection - this case seems to prove that they need to !
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Some **** offers you free drugs you think why not.
Just in case he turns odd I'll take me knife.
I really cannot see how anyone can defend this guy. The fact that the deceased was a suspected paedo (who we all love to hate) is an irrelevant factor. As I see it the key issue here is that the boy perceived a danger and his response to that was to arm himself with a knife. Furthermore, he produced that knife and used it to kill another human being - ableit, in semi-understandable conditions.
My issue with this is not the dead sex beast. It is the message that this sends out about knife crime. Essentially we are saying it is acceptable to carry a knife and to use if if you think there is a chance you might be bummed. I fail to see how this is different from chavs/neds tooling themselves up "just in case" they run into a rival gang member. Carrying a knife, even for self defence, is intollerable IMHO.
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Saxo boy I have to agree with you.
Exactly, they didnt have to go. They need to take responsibilty for knowingly going into and creating this situation. That isnt an excuse for taking a knife.
Some **** offers you free drugs you think why not.
Just in case he turns odd I'll take me knife.
If you can read the "news" article it seems to suggest there was no previous suggestion that the paedo was a paedo - Just a like minded muslim wanting to smoke some pot.
I get the impression a lot of youngsters carry knives for protection - this case seems to prove that they need to !
Just in case he turns odd I'll take me knife.
If you can read the "news" article it seems to suggest there was no previous suggestion that the paedo was a paedo - Just a like minded muslim wanting to smoke some pot.
I get the impression a lot of youngsters carry knives for protection - this case seems to prove that they need to !
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