legb4rsk

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11088841

You may have your own opinions but some things bother me about this
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1. I think he was know by his local 'community'
"The truth was that Amir was a predatory paedophile who preyed on young boys in his own community and groomed them in order that he might sexually assault and rape them."

2.The knife fatally injured the school worker when he "lunged" at the "devout, humble Muslim" teenager, the court heard.

Why was a 'devout,humble Muslim' teenager carrying a knife??
Looks like a set-up to me.

Jamie

I was going to type how he

Luminous

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These things are always hard to comment on. Full facts are never reported in an unbiased manner

Suppose the only positive outcome is that it would appear that a sexual predator is no longer with us. Let's just hope he has not been replaced by someone else who is a murderer.

LG John

Fact 1. Guy was carrying a knife.
Fact 2. Guy produced knife, albeit in apparant self-defence.
Fact 3. Guy stabbed another human.
Fact 4. Said human died.

I cannot see how on earth this is anything other than manslaughter or something of that ilk.

By this logic, he could have pulled out a bazzuka, and launched a rocket through him and have done "nothing wrong".

Something fishy going on here.

LG John

Also, you can just see it now:

Court: So Mr Scumbo, is it true you were walking to a nighclub with a knife in your pocket?
Scumbo: Yeah, that's true.
Court: Is it also true that you had a confrontation with another man?
Scumbo: Yeah.
Court: Is it true that you produced your knife and stabbed him in the neck, causing him to die?
Scumbo: Yeah, but he had his **** out and said he was going to bum me.
Court: Oh well then, that's fine. On your way laddy.

jasey

Double post

jasey

Dead paedo - The Lad's saved us a fortune in treatment/lodging fees (prison) and probably saved several kids from life of misery.

LG John

Seems two wrongs do make a right?

Xx-IAN-xX

Yep, 2 wrongs do make a right. Dead kiddie fidler one less to worry about

LG John

Oh ok, I was just checking cause I thought maybe that was against the law or something?

jasey

When they release Ian ****ley and give him a new identity maybe he can come look after your kids for you !

The more dead paedos the better as far as I'm concerned - however they end up dead

David Lock

Been watching too much Eastenders

madscoob

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RESULT in fact a double RESULT if you are a bnp or edf member .

Xx-IAN-xX

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The boy told the jury: "I genuinely thought that he would either rape me or if I refused he would kill me.

Good enough reason to kill the paedo me thinks. What would you do saxo boy bend over and take it

The Dogs B******s

LG John

Ian Huntley was tried and convicted in a court of law (not that that means much, but that's another topic). This guy was not. I am as worried about paedo's as the next guy but you cannot take the law into your own hands and go stabbing people.

LG John

I'd leave, I'm the guy with the knife remember. It's a pretty commanding position to be in as you back out of the door swinging it in front of you so that they guy will get hurt if he comes into range. I'd then call the police.

Terminator X

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Why was the "kid" carrying a knife though & why shouldn't it be taken in to account ie no knife = no dead person

Perhaps it was one of those religeous knives

TX.

_Meridian_

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Let's have a look at this bit from the story:


In other words, they knew exactly what the man was, but went to his house anyway. I would consider it at least as likely that the two boys went along with the express purpose of either robbing him (he'd be unlikely to go to the police) or at the least having a spot of humiliation. Since it's likely that the two were accomplices, it's also pretty unlikely that either told the truth in court, but we'll never know. Even if their story is true, to go to a known rapist's house, carrying a weapon in case that attack you, hardly makes you innocent in the normal meaning of the word. Defending yourself is one thing; inviting an attack while armed to retaliate is a little more complicated.


M

Korrosiv

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Well I should imagine they were 'lured' by the prospect of free drugs!

Not so far from a sweety is it really?

Vigilanteism is scary though. Where does it stop? Does Joe Bloggs have the right to knife me if I pass his house doing twice the speed limit? Not a good means to this end but no-one can deny it's no loss to society.

jasey

Much more serious note is that the BBC article appears to have been written by a twelve year old - was it originally intended for news round or cbbc

Leslie

It would appear that the boys knew the man for what he was and it is surprising that they went to his house. It might have been difficult for them to refuse for some reason. The lad seems to have taken the knife to use in self defence and when the paedo made the move towards him he struck out to save himself from being raped or whatever. We don't know whether he intended to kill the paedo. There seems to have been no doubt what the paedo wanted to do anyway.

I have to say that would be absolute anathema to me and if I was in that lad's position I would have done anything to resist the paedo's advances. He had warned the paedo to back off but when he continued with his advances he defended himself with the knife. That was really the only way he could have stopped him since he was continuing with the attacking actions.

I find I agree with the judge and that the lad cannot effectively be held guilty of murder or manslaughter since he was defending himself from being raped or even killed.

If you don't agree, try to put yourself in the same position as that lad at the time.

Les

Terminator X

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In that situation any sane person would back off ie faced with a knife why would you "carry on" & risk getting knifed &/or killed ...

As others have mentioned, why go there in the 1st place

TX.

SRSport

Like not going there in the first place? The boys gave no reason why they may have had to go there, surely this would have been one of the key points we would have been told if it wasnt voluntary?

As Meridian said, why go somewhere where you need to arm yourself? Why put yourself in that situation? They were "invited" not forced to go as stated. It sounds much more like a convenient opportunity for the boys to be able to attack/kill the paedo and cover it as "self defence". Why else would you go with a knife?

jasey

Some **** offers you free drugs you think why not.

Just in case he turns odd I'll take me knife.

If you can read the "news" article it seems to suggest there was no previous suggestion that the paedo was a paedo - Just a like minded muslim wanting to smoke some pot.

I get the impression a lot of youngsters carry knives for protection - this case seems to prove that they need to !

Leslie

I did mention at the beginning of my post that I was surprised the went to his house in the first place.

Les

Leslie

Did you read the link?

Les

Terminator X

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Yes & it talks about a "lunge" albeit the lunger is dead so can't verify it. Would you lunge at someone holding a knife?

TX.

LG John

ILLEGAL

ILLEGAL

I really cannot see how anyone can defend this guy. The fact that the deceased was a suspected paedo (who we all love to hate) is an irrelevant factor. As I see it the key issue here is that the boy perceived a danger and his response to that was to arm himself with a knife. Furthermore, he produced that knife and used it to kill another human being - ableit, in semi-understandable conditions.

My issue with this is not the dead sex beast. It is the message that this sends out about knife crime. Essentially we are saying it is acceptable to carry a knife and to use if if you think there is a chance you might be bummed. I fail to see how this is different from chavs/neds tooling themselves up "just in case" they run into a rival gang member. Carrying a knife, even for self defence, is intollerable IMHO.

SRSport

Saxo boy I have to agree with you.

Exactly, they didnt have to go. They need to take responsibilty for knowingly going into and creating this situation. That isnt an excuse for taking a knife.