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Simon Ash murderers Brett Atkins and Carl Marshall jailed for life

richs2891

As I get older I'm starting to think more that the death penalty should be brought back.

Oh and life should mean life ie die in jail, not 19 years
Richard

nik52wrx

We shouldn't, people like that are a waste of space and always will be....
Hang the *******

Martin2005

I think that you are 'pushing on an open door' on here.

But I'll stick to my guns on this one; I am opposed to the DP, I cannot concieve of a good reason to bring it back, in fact I believe such a move would signal a further cheapening of human-life and spiral our society down further...by hey that my view and I know it's not a popular one on here

Tougher sentences - YES

Death Penalty - NO

Trout

iTrader: (1)

Sadly evidence suggests that the death penalty has little or no deterrent value and the only role it would play is one of vengeance. Who are we to take someone's life, surely it only reduces us to the level of the accused.

dpb

Would a tougher sentence involve solitary for a solid 30 years hard labour ?

- in place of life as we know it ( but behind bars) ,conselling at the hands of triple murders, then a new identity some cash in hand and a pat on the back ( after all its society thats brought this on them )

dazdavies

iTrader: (22)

These two will be out in 15 years probably nastier than they went in.

Life should mean that i.e they die in prison. To be honest I'm all for bringing back the death penalty these scum aren't worth the money it will cost to keep them over the years.

Leslie

I think they should be publicly flogged and with an increased penalty.

I also think that the death penalty should certainly be an option for deliberate murder such as this.

Les

warrenm2

Not true - see here for example Burning our money: Cost Effective Justice- 5

billyray911

iTrader: (4)

I whole heartedly believe in the death penalty and honestly think that the US system of a "death row" is the way forward.
If you are convicted,then you will spend a period of time on DR.This will give your defence plenty of opportunity for appeals,further evidence to be put into the public domain and various other issues to arise as mistakes are made.
However,after that lengthy period,you pay the ultimate price for your actions.

Obviously,now that we have signed up to the HRA,this will never be an option,but its a nice idea.

Having listened to the mother of one of victims of Robert Black on Radio 2 yesterday,ther is no reasonable argument (imho) to keep these people alive at £700 per day.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_...(serial_killer)

But then,i think that a variation of national service should be a way for the benefit "users" to put something back into their country.May show certain members of society the importance of treating people and property with respect.
Ahhh well,its a nice idea

cster

I think that is the bit they like!

cster

Interesting quick read.
Any refutation from "the usual suspects"?

Funkii Munkii

That poor man.

This fills me with both sadness and anger.

Their guilt is on tape, 100% water tight proof, then the DP should be granted.

The manner of the DP should coincide with their crime, let Simon Ash' family kick the life out of them.

unclebuck

They are victims too though.

Martin2005

Some of this is (as I understand it) bogus correlation. It's true the US murder rates have fallen steadily over the past 2 decades, this fall in murder is pretty much in line with the fall in overall crime in the US.

There has been many studies into this surprising decline in criminality, the most plausible and certainly most statistically sound conclusions, make a clear CAUSAL relationship between the legalisation of ABORTION in the early 1970's and the fall in crime rates including murder rates. If you read 'Freakonomics' you'll see the analysis and it's pretty compelling.

Legalized abortion and crime effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kieran_Burns

iTrader: (1)

I happen to think that Jail should be hard on the inmates, not a home away from home. You should dread going there, not treat it a holiday (which seems to be the case at the moment)

Basic standard of living, constructive meaningful work but above all: punishment.

The problem with DP is the fear of getting the wrong person and an eye for an eye has never sat well with me.



(I cleared out the posts regarding the text speak if anyone wonders where they went. Just RTM next time. )

cster

Yes, I have read that - a most amusing point made there to be sure.
I would not have thought it would be very difficult to obtain figures on murder rates v death penalty application in the US if one wishes to refute the article quoted.
I mean we are not talking about the economy here are we.
Personally I find it difficult to believe that anyone about to commit a murder would actually be deterred in either way by the penalty dished out.
That however, is just my opinion.

Martin2005

Another interesting DP stat; if you are on death row in the US you have about a 1 in a 100 chance of actually being executed in any given year.


Another reason why it's just not a deterrent