Jamz3k

Just a thought? why doesn't anyone from a background of Music Of White Origin get any admiration from people of a similar nature just like the MOBO awards?

GlesgaKiss

The booze is taking it's toll now.

richiewong

All modern music was invented by Michael J Fox anyway!

Boro

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I dont really get the question.

Bubba po

This question is raised every year. Personally I think they ought to have awards for music of Black and White origin.



























































MAMMY!!

Trout

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We do...










...it is called the Academy of Country and Western music.

Trout

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...and perhaps because plenty of white folk like black music; but not many black folk like that white trash!

Dan Gleebits

its only 'cos they dont *get* the riddim

jonc

They do, of sorts....its call Eurovision!

corradoboy

If we excluded people of colour it would be considered racist, however if they exclude white people......

A bit like persecuting Jade Goody for mispronouncing Shipa Shetty's name, but no-one objecting to Jermaine Jackson for referring to Jade as 'White trash' !

DYK

jasey

Calling her shilpa poppadom or shilpa fcukawalla isn't mispronunciation - it's racism.

The retard was white trash - fact.

As for MOBOs - let the coons vote for their favourites

Trout

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I didn't realise MOBO favourite Eminem was black!

davyboy

No, it's ignorance.

Racism is a bit different to a bit of name calling.

Trout

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It is ignorant and to suggest that name calling cannot be racism is also pretty ignorant.

Steve vRS

I think they should rename it the Urban Music awards or something like that.

Then any reference to race is removed and this argument which happens every year can be put to bed.

I can't stand soul, R&B etc. so am quite happy for such "black" music stations, award shows etc to continue as it means I know which stations to avoid.

Saying that, I do own a few Public Enemy, ICE T and Cyprus Hill albums! Nothing like a healthy dose of hypocrisy in the morning

Steve

Trout

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The Crime and Disorder Act 1998 also created new criminal offences in relation to race, such as racially aggravated criminal damage, assault and public order offences. And another law, called the Public Order Act 1986, makes it illegal to incite racial hatred, whether through the language used or through actions, such as distributing racist leaflets. Penalties are severe for anyone convicted of a racially motivated crime.

It is now police policy to treat even 'minor' incidents seriously, not just physical assaults, because of the particular fear that a hate motive can cause, and the possibility of escalation if such incidents are unchecked. The definition of a 'racist incident' now adopted by all forces is 'any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person'.

Is the criminal law the right solution?

Racial discrimination can often be subtle and hard to prove, rather than violent, and the solution can often lie in civil law rather than in the criminal courts. To establish that a crime has been committed requires a very high degree of proof, and the court has to be convinced "beyond all reasonable doubt". However, the civil courts take a different approach, and they only ask if a "reasonable man or woman" would accept the argument for or against.

Of course we could debate reasonableness. We could debate whether it is reasonable to make jokes of peoples names from another race. Name calling in it's commission could be regarded as humiliating or exclusive to members of that other race.

A test of reasonableness would be whether the name-calling in question would be freely used in the presence of people of that race without fear or favour. One imagines a reasonable person is unlikely to use such names that have a foundation on racial difference in such a scenario.

So to repeat the basis of civil liability in commission of a racist act, "if a "reasonable man or woman" would accept the argument for or against.", or a criminal liability, "any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person". The balance of reasonableness would seem to favour name calling racist rather than not racist therefore a proof would seem to be straightforward.

davyboy

I disagree. I could refer to poeple as pakis and ******* all day long in my own house.....if thats what I want to call them. Stupid, yes....ignorant, yes.

However, do I act like a racist? Would I employ a black or indian person? Would I treat them the same as other colleagues?

what would scooby do

According to human evolution all music is MOBO

Trout

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I completely agree...



...however Jade wasn't doing it in the privacy of her own home. That is when it can become racist.

yoza

In my eyes there is nothing worse than a closet racist, I would rather have dealings with an out and out racist than a snide.

dpb

Because it would be largely just too embarrassing

davyboy

It would not make you a closet racist either.

We'll never agree, but IMO just saying words does not make you racist. It makes you stupid and ignorant.

Judging people and treating them differentley is crossing the line.

mamoon2

Or MOAO - Music of Ape Origin

LG John

The reason we don't have MOWO awards is because white folk don't give a fvck. Blacks et al are the only people that give much of a sh*t about race or creed IMHO. This is why (again IMHO) 90% of 'racism' is a person choosing to take offence to a comment/statement/whatever that would just be water off a ducks back to a white person. I maintain that less than 10% will be actual vindictive targeted racism.

The very fact they have MOBO awards is retarded as they single themselves out when, surely, they are trying to achieve a situation where every man women and child on the planet sees each other as exactly that, a man, a women, or a child. Then seem happy to have 'black only' stuff in music but could you imagine the outrage if you walked into McDonalds and there were till queues entitled, "gook", "cracker", "******", and "miscellaneous other"

Glowplug

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Nearly all music is blues originated, from black roots so i have no problem.

But i thought you had lost it completely then

MOAO- Music Of 'Asian' Origin

Bangra i don't do

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Hosted by Shilpa Popadom

Trout

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And by using derogatory language because someone is of a certain race or ethnicity is treating them differently.

I guess we will disagree but I will sleep soundly.


Saxo Boy - you are right - racism by definition is in the eye/ear of the recipient - it is just that most (not all) white people tend not to be on the receiving end of the subjugation that many coloured people have.

subaruturbo_18

I once said i don't like black music, and a half cast boy went mad calling me racist.

firebug

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haha, i say that every year when the mobos are on(not that i watch it) but it would probably be classed as racist if we had mowos wouldnt it.