Labour finally back down on ID cards.
30 June 2009, 06:17 PM
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Labour finally back down on ID cards.
ID cards to stay voluntary: Johnson - News - Virgin Media
Not before time.
Now they should be forced to pay back what it's cost so far, out of their own pockets:mad;
Not before time.
Now they should be forced to pay back what it's cost so far, out of their own pockets:mad;
30 June 2009, 07:00 PM
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Just like Arnie - they'll be back! Labour will NOT kill ID cards whilst they still have some power left. The only way to get rid will be to vote out the current bunch of shisters and vote in someone who has stated that they will kill them off.
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The Database behind the cards (NIR) is still going on though - and from 2011 you will have to provide the biometric information to get a passport - so not that much has changed
01 July 2009, 02:21 PM
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So aslong as your house is paid off, you don't like driving or holidays abroad, you would of been fine
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I was just hoping there would be a period where ID cards were compulsory and I could refuse to carry one.
01 July 2009, 02:50 PM
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I reckon that i even saved money, as the price of a passport is increasing exponentially
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They may well say that when they do bring them in that it will not be compulsory to have one, you can be sure though that they will ensure that life will become almost impossible if you have not got one!
From there of course its a small step to make them compulsory later.
Les
From there of course its a small step to make them compulsory later.
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Why do we nned to carry these around?, its akin to some german shouting "papers" to any passing citizen in 1940's!
If someone nicked your wallet, id theft will be MUCH easier!
Another point, imagine having a caution for possesing 3 extacy tablets for your own consumption 5 years ago. Your in a pub that gets raided at 11 on a friday night (happening mor and more round here, ******* coppers wont let people have a good time) and some one throws 2 pills wrapped in clingfilm on the floor near you and you dont notice, ther coppers would find them near your feet and ASSUME they are yours cos they are near you, they would then want to look at your id card-which contains your past caution for 3 pills-and ASSUME they are yours and arrest you. Yoiu would have to go the staion before you could argue they arent yours, so your nght gets wasted and it isnt your fault.
And the ******* coppers would love having that sort of power over people, it WOULD get abused!
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So you want a card in your wallet that contains your photo, fingerprint, address, driving liscence points, criminal convictions, credit rating, height and weight and any other info this orwellian state thinks the ******* coppers should have instant access to?
Why do we nned to carry these around?, its akin to some german shouting "papers" to any passing citizen in 1940's!
If someone nicked your wallet, id theft will be MUCH easier!
Another point, imagine having a caution for possesing 3 extacy tablets for your own consumption 5 years ago. Your in a pub that gets raided at 11 on a friday night (happening mor and more round here, ******* coppers wont let people have a good time) and some one throws 2 pills wrapped in clingfilm on the floor near you and you dont notice, ther coppers would find them near your feet and ASSUME they are yours cos they are near you, they would then want to look at your id card-which contains your past caution for 3 pills-and ASSUME they are yours and arrest you. Yoiu would have to go the staion before you could argue they arent yours, so your nght gets wasted and it isnt your fault.
And the ******* coppers would love having that sort of power over people, it WOULD get abused!
Why do we nned to carry these around?, its akin to some german shouting "papers" to any passing citizen in 1940's!
If someone nicked your wallet, id theft will be MUCH easier!
Another point, imagine having a caution for possesing 3 extacy tablets for your own consumption 5 years ago. Your in a pub that gets raided at 11 on a friday night (happening mor and more round here, ******* coppers wont let people have a good time) and some one throws 2 pills wrapped in clingfilm on the floor near you and you dont notice, ther coppers would find them near your feet and ASSUME they are yours cos they are near you, they would then want to look at your id card-which contains your past caution for 3 pills-and ASSUME they are yours and arrest you. Yoiu would have to go the staion before you could argue they arent yours, so your nght gets wasted and it isnt your fault.
And the ******* coppers would love having that sort of power over people, it WOULD get abused!
If you deliberately break the law by carrying disco biscuits and get caught, then the powleece would remember regardless.
Some Police would abuse (and do abuse) their power regardless of the input of I.D. cards. Using an illegal activity to argue against I.D. cards is a little flawed, again imho.
For the record I'm against the idea very strongly. But if you break the law (knowingly) you can't really complain to be fair.
(and I'm not saying it's right for the rozzers to assume things either before you mention it mate).
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Interesting analysis from the Register at 'Non-compulsory' ID cards poised for a makeover? ? The Register
Interesting footnote especially. More *enabling* legislation going through the house (of expenses). To my mind *enabling* legislation should be made illegal, as should statutory instruments. If legislation needs to be passed get it debated in the house!
Dave
Interesting footnote especially. More *enabling* legislation going through the house (of expenses). To my mind *enabling* legislation should be made illegal, as should statutory instruments. If legislation needs to be passed get it debated in the house!
Dave
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