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Old 19 September 2008, 02:11 PM
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Default Child Trust Fund: money down the loo.

Just got 1st statement from HSBC for the CTF for my 1 year old. Paid in at start: 250 quid from Govt + 760 quid from family = 1010 quid.

Value as of 15 September 2008 = 951 quid

That's 59 quid (or 6%) down the toilet, and even before this week's further stock-market falls.

My advice: don't add to the 250 quid that the Govt give. It might just buy your kid a packet of Polos by the time he's old enough to get his hands on it.
Old 19 September 2008, 02:18 PM
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I'd advise to continue adding, since the price of the unit trust funds go down in line with the market, your money can buy more units and spread over 18 years, this blip will be insignificant.
Old 19 September 2008, 02:20 PM
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Couldn't you have stuck it in a cash account instead.
Old 19 September 2008, 02:25 PM
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Wern't there 3 options? one that carried the highest risk/reward? (stocks and share's) and another in a nice normal account?
Old 19 September 2008, 02:32 PM
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The problem from my point of view is that I have no say in how it is spent and the money belongs to the child.......I might want it put towards a university education and he might want to buy a scooby LOL

Shaun

PS I've put in the governments contribution to CTC and no more
Old 19 September 2008, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
I'd advise to continue adding, since the price of the unit trust funds go down in line with the market, your money can buy more units and spread over 18 years, this blip will be insignificant.
...as will the initial £250.

Seriously, if you're looking to invest money for your kid's future, why limit your options just based on where that first £250 went? Speak to an IFA, open an ISA, or a long-term savings bond, or buy copper pipe and stash it in the loft - there's no rule that says all your savings must, or should, be in the same place. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Old 19 September 2008, 02:51 PM
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Don't worry too much about the relatively small loss - it's got years to get made up, and it will, as all investments do.

My son's one has gone down by about £300 and his is in a Balanced Managed Fund. I'm not bothered by the loss as it'll be in there for another 15 year (and don't forget there is another government £250 top-up somewhere along the line).
Old 19 September 2008, 04:12 PM
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I am not going to look at our stuff, it will bounce back, maybe not for a while but it will.

Its this kind of blind and niave optimism that keeps me going !
Old 19 September 2008, 06:03 PM
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i dont top our childrens up, i can see alot of 18 yr olds in a few yrs time screw u ma and pa, im spending ur hard saved cash on xxxx

its a good idea in principal,but how many 18 yr olds will listen to mum and dad on how to spend it, if ur adding to it they`ll have like 10k or so say, thats alot of ££ for them to thrivvle away,hopefully they wont but its a big chance.
Old 19 September 2008, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbo2
Just got 1st statement from HSBC for the CTF for my 1 year old. Paid in at start: 250 quid from Govt + 760 quid from family = 1010 quid.

Value as of 15 September 2008 = 951 quid

That's 59 quid (or 6%) down the toilet, and even before this week's further stock-market falls.

My advice: don't add to the 250 quid that the Govt give. It might just buy your kid a packet of Polos by the time he's old enough to get his hands on it.
Let me get this straight ..... you paid in £760 ..... that has grown to £951 - a 25.13% Increase after just 1 year .............. and you are moaning?????

Wish I could 'lose' money at that rate!!!!
Old 19 September 2008, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyC_772
...as will the initial £250.

Seriously, if you're looking to invest money for your kid's future, why limit your options just based on where that first £250 went? Speak to an IFA, open an ISA, or a long-term savings bond, or buy copper pipe and stash it in the loft - there's no rule that says all your savings must, or should, be in the same place. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Theres a rule that says it should all be in different places??
Old 19 September 2008, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SunnySideUp
Let me get this straight ..... you paid in £760 ..... that has grown to £951 - a 25.13% Increase after just 1 year .............. and you are moaning?????

Wish I could 'lose' money at that rate!!!!
Looks to me like

£250 from guv + 760 paid in = £1010

£951 in account = loss of £59


But I made the mistake of reading ALL of the first post
Old 19 September 2008, 07:54 PM
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The OP hasn't lost anything yet though has he ... he's £191 up (£250 for free less £59)

TX.
Old 19 September 2008, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by pimmo2000
Theres a rule that says it should all be in different places??
Just common sense - some funds are higher risk with higher potential returns, some are lower risk but offer a lower return on average... and you never know if any one bank will even be in business at all next week!
Old 19 September 2008, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Terminator X
The OP hasn't lost anything yet though has he ... he's £191 up (£250 for free less £59)

TX.
Well, no. he's paid the £250 already (in taxes).

The government don't have their "own" money, they have our money that they've taken in taxation.
Old 19 September 2008, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by pimmo2000
Theres a rule that says it should all be in different places??
Don't keep all your eggs in one basket.

Old 20 September 2008, 11:44 AM
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I think anyone who has been given the CTC should consider themselves lucky as alot of people before didn't get anything
Old 20 September 2008, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by magepaster
Looks to me like

£250 from guv + 760 paid in = £1010

£951 in account = loss of £59


But I made the mistake of reading ALL of the first post
On the contrary - he was GIVEN £250 for doing nothing except having a kid ... plenty didn't get that gift from the government .... - is my point
Old 20 September 2008, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbo2
Just got 1st statement from HSBC for the CTF for my 1 year old. Paid in at start: 250 quid from Govt + 760 quid from family = 1010 quid.

Value as of 15 September 2008 = 951 quid

That's 59 quid (or 6%) down the toilet, and even before this week's further stock-market falls.

My advice: don't add to the 250 quid that the Govt give. It might just buy your kid a packet of Polos by the time he's old enough to get his hands on it.
Haven't you been watching the news? That's dated 15th. The stock markets went up about 9% in one day after that, thursday ish. So unless they went down again the next day, you've made your money back.
Old 20 September 2008, 11:22 PM
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I like the way that people on Benefits get £500
Old 21 September 2008, 09:32 AM
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On the basis that it may give them that start they need to haul themselves out the gutter.

Either that or spend it on **** and booze.
Old 21 September 2008, 10:32 AM
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The underlying investment has nothing do with the fact it's in a CTF. You just made bad investment choice.
Old 21 September 2008, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
I must admit that it's 'nice' the gov. has given my lad £250 etc but I prefer to open, and save into, an account for him in my name. That way we decide when he gets it. As others have said, 18 may not be the best time to come into a wad of dosh!

Dave
On the flip side .. the less er .. "parenting" type father might just spend the money on something they want !

Save it for him but don't tell him about it! Then its presented when you decide!!
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