Dutch take a tough stance on emissions.
11 June 2008, 04:40 PM
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Dutch take a tough stance on emissions.
Not saying I like the idea of road charging, but its good to see a government sticking to their guns. Amsterdam at least
With fuel rising to £1.16 a litre now, they are apparently going to be banning classic cars (20 yrs old or more). Also new car tax is being binned and road charging being rolled out.
Seems they have made their decision and are sticking to it. And it seems they are actually interested in emissions and reduction, rather than what else can be taxed.
With fuel rising to £1.16 a litre now, they are apparently going to be banning classic cars (20 yrs old or more). Also new car tax is being binned and road charging being rolled out.
Seems they have made their decision and are sticking to it. And it seems they are actually interested in emissions and reduction, rather than what else can be taxed.
11 June 2008, 04:47 PM
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Not saying I like the idea of road charging, but its good to see a government sticking to their guns. Amsterdam at least
With fuel rising to £1.16 a litre now, they are apparently going to be banning classic cars (20 yrs old or more). Also new car tax is being binned and road charging being rolled out.
Seems they have made their decision and are sticking to it. And it seems they are actually interested in emissions and reduction, rather than what else can be taxed.
With fuel rising to £1.16 a litre now, they are apparently going to be banning classic cars (20 yrs old or more). Also new car tax is being binned and road charging being rolled out.
Seems they have made their decision and are sticking to it. And it seems they are actually interested in emissions and reduction, rather than what else can be taxed.
VED - as your emissions are directly proportional to your mpg thus are a more 'targeted' approach than '4X4's get clobbered, small cars don't ..' as this doesn't take account of mileage.
Road charging - same reasons. If it's 'congested' you get less mpg thus you pay more.
This isn't rocket science but the government would like to introduce more and more reasons to tax us, thus justifying it's own existence, than actually make itself smaller and thus cost us (their paymasters) less......
Snouts and toughs again ......
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11 June 2008, 04:52 PM
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Only thing is, in the UK if they get their way we will have, new car tax, raised first year VED, raised VED for cars over X g/km, massive fuel tax, congestion charging and of course road charging.
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Not saying I like the idea of road charging, but its good to see a government sticking to their guns. Amsterdam at least
With fuel rising to £1.16 a litre now, they are apparently going to be banning classic cars (20 yrs old or more). Also new car tax is being binned and road charging being rolled out.
Seems they have made their decision and are sticking to it. And it seems they are actually interested in emissions and reduction, rather than what else can be taxed.
With fuel rising to £1.16 a litre now, they are apparently going to be banning classic cars (20 yrs old or more). Also new car tax is being binned and road charging being rolled out.
Seems they have made their decision and are sticking to it. And it seems they are actually interested in emissions and reduction, rather than what else can be taxed.
. Still there might be some left hand drive bargains to be had 
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11 June 2008, 04:57 PM
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Not sure how side spread the ban would be, or if they could even do it. But its the kind of thing you expect to see from a government who is "serious" about emissions and the enviroment.
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Darling unveils road charging plans | Politics | guardian.co.uk
BBC NEWS | UK | Q&A: Road pricing
11 June 2008, 05:04 PM
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No they won't. They have already said that VED and Fuel duty would be replaced by Road charging tarrifs.
Darling unveils road charging plans | Politics | guardian.co.uk
BBC NEWS | UK | Q&A: Road pricing
Darling unveils road charging plans | Politics | guardian.co.uk
BBC NEWS | UK | Q&A: Road pricing
Quite ironic how a car hating government use one of the most commonly used manouvres..... the U-turn
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ermmm everytime i have been to amsterdam i have struggled to see more then say 10 cars? 
taxis not included of course
but the dutch just love riding around on them crazy pedal bikes.
taxis not included of course
but the dutch just love riding around on them crazy pedal bikes.
11 June 2008, 05:07 PM
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Mind you, I personally would be crying as the list of classic fords I want to get in the coming years would suddenly disappear, and in 3 years dear old Percy (my delinquent 205 gti) would be off to the scrap heap
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Anyone got a link for this please?
My pal in Holland collects old Cadillacs
Edit. The only link I can find seems to say the exact opposite!!
DutchNews.nl - Amsterdam u-turn over car ban
My pal in Holland collects old Cadillacs
Edit. The only link I can find seems to say the exact opposite!!
DutchNews.nl - Amsterdam u-turn over car ban
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11 June 2008, 06:18 PM
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No actually they are just implementing EU directive 20004/52 a bit earlier than they have too. And so will we. Unless we leave the EU of course....
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Not saying I like the idea of road charging, but its good to see a government sticking to their guns. Amsterdam at least
With fuel rising to £1.16 a litre now, they are apparently going to be banning classic cars (20 yrs old or more). Also new car tax is being binned and road charging being rolled out.
Seems they have made their decision and are sticking to it. And it seems they are actually interested in emissions and reduction, rather than what else can be taxed.
With fuel rising to £1.16 a litre now, they are apparently going to be banning classic cars (20 yrs old or more). Also new car tax is being binned and road charging being rolled out.
Seems they have made their decision and are sticking to it. And it seems they are actually interested in emissions and reduction, rather than what else can be taxed.
12 June 2008, 10:26 PM
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Some inside info. (as I understand it)
Road charging was originally touted by the Dutch government (which is in The Hague and not Amsterdam of course) to be a substitute revenue source for VED and new car tax aka "BPM" and not a revenue raiser. This is turning out to be an out and out lie of course - such is the nature of green taxes.
BPM is levied at 42.3%
on the retail price and then VAT at 19 1/2% is charged on top (tax on a tax then). A CO2 surcharge on the new price of 80 quid per 10g CO2 above the levels of 232g/km for petrol and 192g/km was introduced in Feb-08. As a consequence a Lamborghini Murciélago will cost a whopping twenty-two thousand pounds more than previously .
It isn't good for the man on the street either - e.g. All the above nonsense taxes means that my well-loaded 2.0T Passat estate cost over forty-three thousand pounds last year rather than the twenty-six grand it would have cost in the UK. i.e. Rip off Britain could be much, much worse
Finally it seems that road charging is due 2012 (an IT project of this magnitude will be delayed to 2015 at the earliest I expect). The rub is that the phasing-out of BPM won't be finalised until 2018 (it will first be reduced to 'only' 25% in 2010/12.
So finally (surprise, surprise) this is just a revenue raising exercise rather than the tax-neutral affair it was originally being touted as.
I sincerely expect motorists to revolt soon, as this is really taking the p1$$ now!
Road charging was originally touted by the Dutch government (which is in The Hague and not Amsterdam of course) to be a substitute revenue source for VED and new car tax aka "BPM" and not a revenue raiser. This is turning out to be an out and out lie of course - such is the nature of green taxes.
BPM is levied at 42.3%
on the retail price and then VAT at 19 1/2% is charged on top (tax on a tax then). A CO2 surcharge on the new price of 80 quid per 10g CO2 above the levels of 232g/km for petrol and 192g/km was introduced in Feb-08. As a consequence a Lamborghini Murciélago will cost a whopping twenty-two thousand pounds more than previously . It isn't good for the man on the street either - e.g. All the above nonsense taxes means that my well-loaded 2.0T Passat estate cost over forty-three thousand pounds last year rather than the twenty-six grand it would have cost in the UK. i.e. Rip off Britain could be much, much worse
Finally it seems that road charging is due 2012 (an IT project of this magnitude will be delayed to 2015 at the earliest I expect). The rub is that the phasing-out of BPM won't be finalised until 2018 (it will first be reduced to 'only' 25% in 2010/12. So finally (surprise, surprise) this is just a revenue raising exercise rather than the tax-neutral affair it was originally being touted as.
I sincerely expect motorists to revolt soon, as this is really taking the p1$$ now!
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