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Old 03 May 2008, 05:23 PM
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Reward Benefit Scroungers for 'being good parents'

Don't benefit scum with kids get enough handouts already? Now the loony lefties want Nu Labour to give them even more money simply for doing what they should be doing as parents to start with...

BBC NEWS | Education | Good parents 'should be rewarded'

She also quizzed the logic of insisting young mothers work
The sooner we can have a General Election to get the Socialist nut jobs out of power the better.
Old 03 May 2008, 05:33 PM
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See the thing is will a million or so now off the unemployment register, and now just classed as social scum, thats a million votes they can count on when they call a GE.... So they think !

Its time to stop rewarding poor behaviour in all walks of life, and make society start paying back for the damage and strain they put on others.
Old 03 May 2008, 06:01 PM
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Since when has the National Association of Head Teachers been in power in government?
Old 03 May 2008, 07:18 PM
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its nu labias solution to everything - throw money at it


Still , not for much longer
Old 03 May 2008, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
its nu labias solution to everything - throw money at it
I don't understand.

What has the suggestion from the leader of the National Head Teachers Association that parent should be rewarded for good parenting got to do with Labour?
Old 03 May 2008, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
I don't understand.

What has the suggestion from the leader of the National Head Teachers Association that parent should be rewarded for good parenting got to do with Labour?
Fair comment really
Old 03 May 2008, 08:13 PM
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Labelling all who claim benefits as "scum" is a bit unfair.
Old 03 May 2008, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by cookstar
Labelling all who claim benefits as "scum" is a bit unfair.
Yup.
Old 03 May 2008, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
Since when has the National Association of Head Teachers been in power in government?
I have no idea. I didn't say they were. They do however have a lot of influence over this weak and intellectually bankrupt Government being comprised I suspect almost totally of loyal Nu Labour supporters. This is just the kind of loopy 'Nu Thinking' that Nu labour could sieze upon as a 'fresh nu headline grabbing initiative.
Old 03 May 2008, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by cookstar
Labelling all who claim benefits as "scum" is a bit unfair.
If you take a moment to read the article you will quickly find that the policy aims to reward the most disfunctional members of the Nu labour benefit dependent underclass.
Old 03 May 2008, 09:46 PM
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Yup those dysfunctional families need to be treated



















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Old 03 May 2008, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
If you take a moment to read the article you will quickly find that the policy aims to reward the most disfunctional members of the Nu labour benefit dependent underclass.
I don't want to get into a massive benefits debate, I have views on that which seem to upset some. What I will say, is will people who aren't on benefits, who raise their children decently already, keep them in school etc, be rewarded? I doubt it, as they are already doing what they should be as parents who have decided to be just that, and recognise the responsibilty which comes with that.

I'm all for incentives rather than punishment in many areas of concern, but I'm more than concerned about this suggestion.
Old 04 May 2008, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
I have no idea. I didn't say they were. They do however have a lot of influence over this weak and intellectually bankrupt Government being comprised I suspect almost totally of loyal Nu Labour supporters. This is just the kind of loopy 'Nu Thinking' that Nu labour could sieze upon as a 'fresh nu headline grabbing initiative.
Well, if you read the children ministers response, she is dismissing the idea out of hand.

This has nothing to do with the Government whatsoever. To suggest that it is likely to be taken by the government is pure suppositon.


Originally Posted by unclebuck
If you take a moment to read the article you will quickly find that the policy aims to reward the most disfunctional members of the Nu labour benefit dependent underclass.
Parents of truanting kids that happen to be on some form of benefit (of course every single parent in the land is on benefit) cannot automatically be described as "scum". It is disingenuous to do so.

Originally Posted by Lisawrx
I'm all for incentives rather than punishment in many areas of concern, but I'm more than concerned about this suggestion.
Hang about Lisa, just the other day you were saying that people shouldn't be given penalties for choosing a higher polluting car, because you don't agree with punishing people for the choices they make, rather you would like to see people have certain choices rewarded.

Does this not apply here?
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In an answer no. That's why I said I agree with incentives in many cases, but not sure about here. The issue of polluting vehicles is still debateable, not absolute fact. Bad parenting isn't. I don't believe in giving people on benefits already, more to do what they have the obligation to do in the first place when they choose to have a family. They are responsible for raising their child, and part of that is getting them to school. They are already being supported in terms, that they are in reciept of benefits (for a family they can't in fact really afford), fair enough to a point, but I don't think they should be given more to do what they should be doing.
Old 04 May 2008, 01:22 PM
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The thinking that parents should be rewarded for doing what is their bounden duty should they have children is quite wrong. They should have the responsible attitude to bring up their children to accept discipline and to obey the law of the land as a natural part of being a parent without having to be paid to do so.

If their children misbehave themselves and cause wanton damage then those parents should be responsible for making the damage good and repaying the damage done to the victims as well as punishing their children.

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Old 04 May 2008, 01:31 PM
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Need a license to drive a car, own a dog, gun, go fishing etc. Need a license to become parents IMO!
Old 04 May 2008, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Klaatu
Need a license to become parents IMO!
What, pass some form of test? Or pay a fee?

Brilliant. Lets charge and limit to state control the most basic human right of all - In fact the very reason for our existance.

For someone who hates government interference you are suggesting the mother of all controls.
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With rights, come responsibility. To me a person shouldn't need to be rewarded to do what they should be doing. Put it this way, once I pass a test to allow me to drive, I have a right to drive. If I behave like a ****, I get punished (if caught obviously), and rightly so, I've abused the right I've been given. However, if I behave completely within the law, and drive in the exact manner I should, I wouldn't get a nice payout for doing what I should have been. (don't try and use reductions in insurance premiums as that is not the same, it's not a handout).
Old 04 May 2008, 02:42 PM
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It certainly shoudnt be a right to get housed/fed/sky tv - for nowt just for by popping a sprog
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Bob from Hamilton, Canada expressed it perfectly.
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Old 04 May 2008, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
What, pass some form of test? Or pay a fee?

Brilliant. Lets charge and limit to state control the most basic human right of all - In fact the very reason for our existance.

For someone who hates government interference you are suggesting the mother of all controls.
Pete,

I all honest people know thier rights, not their responsibilities.

There are a lot of parents out there who just do not care or cannot be bothered with thier kids.

I am willing to be alot are t eh same parents who do not work, havn't worked and do not plan to work, kept bu the stste on bennefits, handouts from the people that do.

Nothing wrong with welfare, except when the system is open to abuse being and is then heartily abused and this is allowed to go on.

rewarding there parents for getting it right is wrong, they should do the best for their kids becaused theey love cherish, wnat the best for their kids not because it will alow them to buy more stuff - it is morally wrong.

Parents who do not get it right should be punished, in ways such as food vouchers redemable for food onl,y, not fagsm not booze, not sky or dope. food.

A more careful and stringent watch shoudl be put on them and if needed the kids taken away, maybe placed with other family members.

rewards like this just make more rods for our backs, getting it right early on may cost in terms of manpower and recources but wuill save in the long run as the unloved and uncared for kids start to cause problems.

Bad parents need to be set boundaries and also targets to aim for and know that failure will affect them!
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