Another day - Another New Labour 'big idea'
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Another day - Another New Labour 'big idea'
The Proms (last night) must be banned (racist)
BBC NEWS | Politics | Proms not inclusive, says Hodge
24 hour drinking - here to stay
BBC NEWS | Politics | 'Mixed picture' on 24hr drinking
Retreat on road charging - for now - would loose us an election..... but it will be back
BBC NEWS | Politics | Road charging plan 'in tatters'
Finally - we have the answer to all our road congestion poblems
BBC NEWS | Politics | M-ways for hard shoulder scheme
All this in just a single day. How much more can normal people take of this socialist insanity...???
BBC NEWS | Politics | Proms not inclusive, says Hodge
24 hour drinking - here to stay
BBC NEWS | Politics | 'Mixed picture' on 24hr drinking
Retreat on road charging - for now - would loose us an election..... but it will be back
BBC NEWS | Politics | Road charging plan 'in tatters'
Finally - we have the answer to all our road congestion poblems
BBC NEWS | Politics | M-ways for hard shoulder scheme
All this in just a single day. How much more can normal people take of this socialist insanity...???
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Proms - Ah Margret Hodge - another stupid soundbite from this assclown - Go Margret!
The rest of the subjects, Come on UB, you are just looking fro problems where they do not exist. If you listen to the ministers NL trawl out on R5 everything is better and it is all misundestandings/incorrect stats, Better than when thee tories where in power etc because as we al know things are much better under NL.
The rest of the subjects, Come on UB, you are just looking fro problems where they do not exist. If you listen to the ministers NL trawl out on R5 everything is better and it is all misundestandings/incorrect stats, Better than when thee tories where in power etc because as we al know things are much better under NL.
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I suppose we are getting used to it, but it is still difficult to understand how the mind of a woman who sees racism in the Proms actually works, if it does on her own account that is! I think they all need to be put down while we still just about have a country!
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The proms debate is absolutely barking; I wonder if Ms Hodge has ever been, or stood alongside the "rabble" ( ).
Or did she "feel" that "others" maybe insulted or be harrased by the mass waving of union jacks and honking of hooters.
24hr drinking, never solved a problem (barring pub profits, and tax income from booze). Kicking out time was always "messy" now that doesn't happen, but now its a constant deluge of drunkards throughout the small hours instead of a hoard at 11:30pm.
One thing we have lost is the "natural curfew" it created; Before 24hr drinking, if you saw someone acting like a prat at 4:00am, you'd know they are trouble. Nowadays you don't know if its just a harmless reveller or a nutcase.
Road charging; Employing a pay by mile system to tax motorist, by employing needless electronic infrastructure to enfore it - as if that ever was going to work, stay in budget and be popular with the public.
Afterall we already have pay-by-mile road charging: Its called fuel tax!
How much money was wasted on this feasibility study to realise a system that we already have in place!?!
Using Hard shoulders; great idea to cut costs. Cheapskates! Great for emergency access in an accident, great for paking if your car blows up or breaks down. It was put there for a reason; Those engineers in the 1950's had far more common sense to road design, planning and layout than any of the current bunch have
Or did she "feel" that "others" maybe insulted or be harrased by the mass waving of union jacks and honking of hooters.
24hr drinking, never solved a problem (barring pub profits, and tax income from booze). Kicking out time was always "messy" now that doesn't happen, but now its a constant deluge of drunkards throughout the small hours instead of a hoard at 11:30pm.
One thing we have lost is the "natural curfew" it created; Before 24hr drinking, if you saw someone acting like a prat at 4:00am, you'd know they are trouble. Nowadays you don't know if its just a harmless reveller or a nutcase.
Road charging; Employing a pay by mile system to tax motorist, by employing needless electronic infrastructure to enfore it - as if that ever was going to work, stay in budget and be popular with the public.
Afterall we already have pay-by-mile road charging: Its called fuel tax!
How much money was wasted on this feasibility study to realise a system that we already have in place!?!
Using Hard shoulders; great idea to cut costs. Cheapskates! Great for emergency access in an accident, great for paking if your car blows up or breaks down. It was put there for a reason; Those engineers in the 1950's had far more common sense to road design, planning and layout than any of the current bunch have
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I can't beleive you people are moaning about extended drinking hours.
Tell you what, why don't you all go home, send your wives in to work to post, and then perhaps we will have a bit of masculinity in the thread.
Tell you what, why don't you all go home, send your wives in to work to post, and then perhaps we will have a bit of masculinity in the thread.
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The tenant ran pubs never make any decent profit, never have and never will (for the tenants running it, or as business in its own right). The landlords (breweries), do fair better.
Some of the big breweries seem to have done nicely since 2005 (well, up to mid last year, at least ).
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Margaret Hodge does more for the BNP cause than they could ever do themselves.
Re road congestion, one trouble is that nearly every member of a family wants their own car these days. So long as that trend, and New Labour's mass immigration policy continues, the roads will become more congested.
Re road congestion, one trouble is that nearly every member of a family wants their own car these days. So long as that trend, and New Labour's mass immigration policy continues, the roads will become more congested.
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Proms - Ah Margret Hodge - another stupid soundbite from this assclown - Go Margret!
The rest of the subjects, Come on UB, you are just looking fro problems where they do not exist. If you listen to the ministers NL trawl out on R5 everything is better and it is all misundestandings/incorrect stats, Better than when thee tories where in power etc because as we al know things are much better under NL.
The rest of the subjects, Come on UB, you are just looking fro problems where they do not exist. If you listen to the ministers NL trawl out on R5 everything is better and it is all misundestandings/incorrect stats, Better than when thee tories where in power etc because as we al know things are much better under NL.
classic NL doublethink. not that long ago, she was publicly extolling the mesmeric beauty of king lear on stage. the tickets for which i very much doubt she paid for. so shakespeare's alright but elgar's just too damn white & middle class? the useless, cheeky lefty bitch.
'1984' was a warning, not an instruction manual.
hang them all.
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The Proms (last night) must be banned (racist)
BBC NEWS | Politics | Proms not inclusive, says Hodge
24 hour drinking - here to stay
BBC NEWS | Politics | 'Mixed picture' on 24hr drinking
Retreat on road charging - for now - would loose us an election..... but it will be back
BBC NEWS | Politics | Road charging plan 'in tatters'
Finally - we have the answer to all our road congestion poblems
BBC NEWS | Politics | M-ways for hard shoulder scheme
All this in just a single day. How much more can normal people take of this socialist insanity...???
BBC NEWS | Politics | Proms not inclusive, says Hodge
24 hour drinking - here to stay
BBC NEWS | Politics | 'Mixed picture' on 24hr drinking
Retreat on road charging - for now - would loose us an election..... but it will be back
BBC NEWS | Politics | Road charging plan 'in tatters'
Finally - we have the answer to all our road congestion poblems
BBC NEWS | Politics | M-ways for hard shoulder scheme
All this in just a single day. How much more can normal people take of this socialist insanity...???
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Are they going to ban the Electric Proms too? I seem to recall Wale using the word N*gger several times while performing Toxic with Mark Ronson and Daniel Merryweather.
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Finally - we have the answer to all our road congestion poblems
BBC NEWS | Politics | M-ways for hard shoulder scheme
All this in just a single day. How much more can normal people take of this socialist insanity...???
BBC NEWS | Politics | M-ways for hard shoulder scheme
All this in just a single day. How much more can normal people take of this socialist insanity...???
Enjoy!
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UK national road pricing is, for the present, a dead duck. Or - as Transport Secretary Ruth Kelly put it yesterday - "many years away". Instead, new car sharing and toll lanes figured high in Kelly's publicity - but the actual plans are a deal more interesting, effectively proposing a graduated switch to a managed motorway system, followed by something more sinister and more familiar.
Yes, a few years down the line, road pricing could easily get another bite of the cherry. The Advanced motorway signalling and traffic management feasibility study goes on in some tedious detail about the success of hard shoulder running trials that have taken place on the M42. This produced the shock discovery that you could fit more cars onto a motorway if you turned the hard shoulder into an extra lane, but more importantly it showed that traffic flow improved with the introduction of a measure of dynamic management to the use of this lane.
So, for example, you could make the lane generally available at times of high congestion, reserve it for heavy goods vehicles (HGVs), possibly barring them from overtaking at congested times, or use it as an HGV 'hill climb' lane. There are many possibilities, but in order to be useful they all depend on observation of the nature of the traffic currently on the motorway, changing the role of the lane to address these conditions, and informing the drivers of the lane's current status. So the point is not that the extra lane is converted from the hard shoulder, but that it requires the deployment of a battery of congestion and speed metering systems, electronic road signs that can be changed remotely and regularly-spaced gantries to signal and to observe the vehicles.
Alongside this you have the dull-sounding (and frankly, basically, dull) "ramp metering". This monitors traffic on slip roads and adjusts traffic lights at entry points in order to manage flow onto the motorway. But we feel the need to mention it on the basis that it's an integral part of the managed motorway system.
And managed motorway itself (or Active Trsffic Management, ATM) sounds pretty dull too, so we shouldn't be too surprised if the Department for Transport and the national press just carry on referring to 'hard shoulder running' and miss/skip over the more interesting bits.
In most cases the hard shoulders will require upgrading in order to carry heavier traffic, refuges will have to be built for broken down vehicles, and data cabling, power supply and signalling gantries will need to be put in place at the same time. If you want to be able to restrict use of the new lane to specific categories of vehicle, then some form of enforcement system (e.g. ANPR) will have to be put in place too. But with the infrastructure in place, it's a relatively marginal cost to do this - and much else - later.
As the report ominously points out, the rollout of base electronic infrastructure makes the installation of new systems fairly simple and low cost. These could include short range information delivery to in-car systems, and tag and beacon systems which could be used for the enforcement of high occupancy toll (HOT) lanes, where paying customers are allowed to use high occupancy vehicle (HOV) lanes. Or, erm, they could be used for a national road pricing scheme, as neither Kelly nor the report says.
It's worth noting - as the national press probably won't - that HOV/HOT isn't going to be used on a widespread basis anytime soon. Upgraded hard shoulders could certainly be used for this, but in order for these kinds of lanes to operate effectively they need to have a barrier between them and the rest of the motorway to stop cars drifting in and out by accident or design. In the longer term however, depending on the density of monitoring and compliance equipment installed, this may not be such a major issue. Initial deployment will therefore be fairly restricted, and the report itself stresses that such lanes should ideally be new ones, rather than existed ones converted.
Further ominous news comes in the form of the DfT's apparent enthusiasm for switching over to 'average' speed measurement and control. "We believe that this would be strongly beneficial to compliance," the report says somewhat redundantly. "Drivers tend to perceive average speed control as a more predictable, consistent, equitable and therefore more credible solution to speed management", it continues incomprehensibly, "(as opposed to the 'lottery' nature of spot speed control)... There is broad endorsement from stakeholders for moving to average speed controls."
The identity of these stakeholders is not immediately obvious, nor is the source of any data indicating widespread enthusiasm for average speed control on the part of motorists. Average speed control does however require the logging of individual vehicles at the start and end of stretches of road, quite probably using ANPR. As yet the DfT isn't sure how far and fast it should be rolled out, and although it feels it would be "strongly beneficial to compliance" and could be implemented without any change to existing traffic law, there might just be some privacy issues. Oh really?
So 5/10 for knocking back satellite road pricing, 7/10 for getting sensible about active traffic management, but null points for making it a "phased approach to compliance and enforcement", an escalator to the 24x7 vehicle movement database.
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