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Old 01 March 2008, 06:45 PM
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Came across this video while browsing through my "weird ****" folder:

Equinox - It Runs on Water (Free Energy - 1995)

Interesting idea's but raises the question at how ruthless the corporations and scientific bodies are at dismissing any claim of alternative energy i.e one that doesn't enslave people under a mountain of tax.

Personally I think we will never see alternative "free" energy, the corporate giants will milk every last barrel of oil and when they run out of that they will find an alternative energy only they can control and charge the consumers (who in turn get raped by the taxes imposed).
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Food for thought.
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Also have a google search for the video "free energy secrets" makes a VERY good viewing and pause for thought!
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Since I really can't be bothered to watch that, can someone please do a precis? Are we talking actual Perpetual Motion here?


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Old 01 March 2008, 08:18 PM
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After watching the first five minutes, it seems to be a water pump which through sheer and pressure superheats water to steam capable of producing more energy than the motor which drives the pump uses. +100% efficiency.
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Torrent - FREE ENERGY Secrets of Cold Electricity (Tesla Patents) (2001):: BitTorrentMonster
Old 01 March 2008, 08:25 PM
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Tesla was indeed a genius
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Originally Posted by corradoboy
After watching the first five minutes, it seems to be a water pump which through sheer and pressure superheats water to steam capable of producing more energy than the motor which drives the pump uses. +100% efficiency.


So does it violate the First Law of Thermodynamics or the Second? Or both? Either way it's a con.


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Old 01 March 2008, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
So does it violate the First Law of Thermodynamics or the Second? Or both? Either way it's a con.
Dunno, you'd know more than me. Watch it and draw your own conclusions. It had enough credibility to warrant a TV program, but then again, so does Jordan & Peter
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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
So does it violate the First Law of Thermodynamics or the Second? Or both? Either way it's a con.


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There are just so many things that we dont understand and we think that we do. Untill some new law is discovered, the old laws will plague the mind.

What this program is about, is people trying to find that there are other factors at work here, apart from conservation of energy and other laws of thermodynamics there are factors we dont know about.

It only takes one brilliant mind to change the world. But there are also millions of minds that enjoy what they have and dont want to lose it because of that one person. Thats why change is never easy. Democracy works - not!

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Brilliant program btw.
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mmm was intially skeptical but now am thinking more about it. Whenever someone talks about powering cars from water I always roll my eyes a bit. What people dont realise is that water has low chemical energy, whereas hydrogen has high chemical energy. In going from high to low, heat is released and the sum total is no change. However the trick is to consider TOTAL energy. From Einstein we know that E=mc^2. This nuclear energy is never considered in conventional chemical calculations. I would think that ZPE is in a similar category - the effects produced DONT violate the laws of thermodynamics because the TOTAL energy remains the same, its just that its not chemical or electrical energy that is being converted.

There is a real effect measurable due to ZPE called the casimir effect, see Casimir effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Stan Meyer's Dune Buggy

This programm was aired in 1995, STan meyer who you see in the Equinox programm with the buggy that runs on water died in 1998 and his buggy and all his information on his research was stolen.

Makes you think.
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It Runs on Water is a video with Stanley Meyer which purports to show a car powered by this fuel cell.

Meyer claimed that he could run a 1.6 liter Volkswagen dune buggy on water instead of gasoline.

He replaced the spark plugs with "injectors" to spray a fine mist into the engine cylinders, which he claimed were electrified at a resonant frequency. The fuel cell would split water into hydrogen and oxygen gas, which would be combusted back into water vapor in a conventional internal combustion engine to produce net energy.

Meyer demonstrated his vehicle for his city's local station Action 6 News and estimated that only 83 liters (22 US gallons) of water was required to travel from Los Angeles to New York thats 2,462 miles.
Old 02 March 2008, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by serega
Stan Meyer's Dune Buggy

This programm was aired in 1995, STan meyer who you see in the Equinox programm with the buggy that runs on water died in 1998 and his buggy and all his information on his research was stolen.

Makes you think.
he also got convicted of fraud for the "watercar"
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artificial reliance on conventional energy is probably the number 'people controller' in the world, if energy was freely obtained tomorrow, imagine how the world would change, countless billions lost in energy taxation, gas, electricity, petrol, diesel, soild fuel etc, the oil industry and the wealth it generates stops. i think that research into and availability of 'free energy' is obviously deliberately suppressed in the same way that free wealth is suppressed. And anyone who doesn't play by the rules is debunked or disappears.
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A bit like THIS MOVIE
Old 02 March 2008, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by serega
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He replaced the spark plugs with "injectors" to spray a fine mist into the engine cylinders, which he claimed were electrified at a resonant frequency. The fuel cell would split water into hydrogen and oxygen gas, which would be combusted back into water vapor in a conventional internal combustion engine to produce net energy.


So, a Perpetual Motion Machine of the Second Order, with a side order of pseudoscience to help separate the gullible from their money. One of the oldest cons in the book. Good job all the evidence, sorry, research, disappeared then.


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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
So, a Perpetual Motion Machine of the Second Order, with a side order of pseudoscience to help separate the gullible from their money. One of the oldest cons in the book. Good job all the evidence, sorry, research, disappeared then.


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Tesla was not interested in separating anyone from their hard earned, he wanted free energy for all. Look at all the information sent wirelessly, a 100 years ago people would have laughed in your face if you had of advocated that.


If you have any 10k pylons near you, take a fluorescent light, stick it in the ground underneath and watch
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Originally Posted by kingofturds


If you have any 10k pylons near you, take a fluorescent light, stick it in the ground underneath and watch


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Fascinating video - shame nothing has really hit the news since to provide any substantition.

That said, it would be a real shame if the scientific world just debunked all of these without researching them first. Nuclear science is still very young....

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Originally Posted by Tam the bam



I remember my dad pulling up and doing that when I was around 6 years old only with 1 6ft tube though it was amazing to see
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Originally Posted by kingofturds
Tesla was not interested in separating anyone from their hard earned,


Where does Tesla come into this? I was clearly talking about Stan Meyer running a car on water - I quoted the appropriate bit to make sure.



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Originally Posted by kingofturds
Tesla was not interested in separating anyone from their hard earned,


Where does Tesla come into this? I was clearly talking about Stan Meyer running a car on water - I quoted the appropriate bit to make sure.

And actually Tesla was, BTW: he was a serious businessman who wanted a monopoly on electricity transport. But he was using proper science to do it.


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The fact that Stan Meyer was killed in 1998 and had his car and all his research stolen ring any alarm bells??
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Originally Posted by kingofturds
Tesla was not interested in separating anyone from their hard earned, he wanted free energy for all. Look at all the information sent wirelessly, a 100 years ago people would have laughed in your face if you had of advocated that.


If you have any 10k pylons near you, take a fluorescent light, stick it in the ground underneath and watch


This is showing you in a completely different light KOT, pardon the pun.
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
The fact that Stan Meyer was killed in 1998 and had his car and all his research stolen ring any alarm bells??
The powers that be will never allow alternative energy sources whilst they can leach off the populus via the fossil fuels.
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The problem with all these free energy studies is the amount of stubborn resistance they receive by those in the field of science.

As the video states, you have engineers, freelancers and accidental inventors who are unable to convey their work in a language the scientific community can understand - because they are ignorant **********.

Some of the idea's out there are not so much out there but more evolutionary i.e taking what is already available and applying it in a different model.

Tesla was a genius, he had some fantastic ideas, many which are still to be discovered (or hidden away/destroyed as some documentries have shown). Almost all of the best inventions and revolutionary idea's come from people who don't necessarily come from an academic or scientific background.

As that video states, if you were to acknowledge any of the free energy concepts floating about you would be taking away the power and status the pompus gits with Phd's have - these people are ultimately afraid so they will preach the laws of physics "you can't make more energy than what you put in" (try telling that to a scooby owner lol).

Some good stuff out there, worth watching the later half of the video where a more down to earth engineer shows his water to energy invention as well as a car he is building with some seriously big power figures quoted.
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