Whats the price of your honesty?
31 October 2007, 11:46 AM
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Whats the price of your honesty?
Strange question, and a little light hearted really I guess.
Some of you might remember a thread a while ago about the house nextdoor to me falling down, us being evacuated, and our house being slightly damaged.
Well, keeping things calm with the builder, we have not "fallen out" so to speak. He knows I was the original caller to the police/council at the time of the start of the collapse.
So today I go out and find a note on my car to call him. On returning my call he tells me he needs "a favour" And that certain things need saying to certain parties to make sure that the claim all goes through for him.
Needless to say, its not quite the truth he is after, but a slighty different sequence of events.
The though did flash through my mind, but on reflection.... NO WAY.
Amazing the things an almost complete stranger will ask you to do.
So the bit about the price, what sum would make you consider saying otherwise.........
Some of you might remember a thread a while ago about the house nextdoor to me falling down, us being evacuated, and our house being slightly damaged.
Well, keeping things calm with the builder, we have not "fallen out" so to speak. He knows I was the original caller to the police/council at the time of the start of the collapse.
So today I go out and find a note on my car to call him. On returning my call he tells me he needs "a favour" And that certain things need saying to certain parties to make sure that the claim all goes through for him.
Needless to say, its not quite the truth he is after, but a slighty different sequence of events.
The though did flash through my mind, but on reflection.... NO WAY.
Amazing the things an almost complete stranger will ask you to do.
So the bit about the price, what sum would make you consider saying otherwise.........
31 October 2007, 11:50 AM
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Depends how big the porkys are. I wouldn't outright lie, but I might be inclined to forget the odd detail.
As to the price, if the price is the insurance not paying out to fix your house I'd probably forget a lot of details.
As to the price, if the price is the insurance not paying out to fix your house I'd probably forget a lot of details.
31 October 2007, 11:50 AM
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Funny, theres a game show with Jerry Springer offering £50K for honesty.
For 50K, I'd tell the world I let my wife do me with a strap on.
As for the above why not, depending on what you have to say, You may need a favour from him some time.
For 50K, I'd tell the world I let my wife do me with a strap on.
As for the above why not, depending on what you have to say, You may need a favour from him some time.
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Honesty aside.
IMO it depends on if the outcome of "oiling the gears" would work in your favour; If it's little risk to you and it helps you get sorted after the events, then I would consider it.
If, however it is of no benefit and could cause more aggrevation, then its out the question.
IMO it depends on if the outcome of "oiling the gears" would work in your favour; If it's little risk to you and it helps you get sorted after the events, then I would consider it.
If, however it is of no benefit and could cause more aggrevation, then its out the question.
31 October 2007, 11:52 AM
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31 October 2007, 12:13 PM
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OK factors to consider in this instance..
The builders poor work caused my family to be uprooted while the house was declared safe (4-5 days) At our expense. He is still to reimburse some for this.
A number of complaints about his builders work before this time.
No offer has been made since it all happened to make repairs or contribute towards them.
The claim, if it works in his favour will be in excess of £1.2m. So a serious amount of money, especially IMHO they caused the house to collapse.
As for what he can do for me...... Unlikely I would want this particular contractor to do any work for me, other than lay my driveway lol.
In short, im gonna tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me mum!
The builders poor work caused my family to be uprooted while the house was declared safe (4-5 days) At our expense. He is still to reimburse some for this.
A number of complaints about his builders work before this time.
No offer has been made since it all happened to make repairs or contribute towards them.
The claim, if it works in his favour will be in excess of £1.2m. So a serious amount of money, especially IMHO they caused the house to collapse.
As for what he can do for me...... Unlikely I would want this particular contractor to do any work for me, other than lay my driveway lol.
In short, im gonna tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me mum!
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31 October 2007, 12:15 PM
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Benefits, nothing really, unless I named a price
Or on the down side, they can lose the claim, be just under a mill out of pocket, but have a plot of land they can build on. But will be quite a bit out of pocket, and have a lot of expenses to pay also.
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he's had his chance to make things right for you, and left you wanting!!!
screw him up now mate, before he kills someone.
screw him up now mate, before he kills someone.
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31 October 2007, 12:22 PM
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tell him that youll go along with his plan if he has a tatto piece done on his *****. all the way round and on the helmet. a very intricate design that runs round his ball sack and onto his gouche (that bit of tender skin between your ***** and bottom hole)... see what he says. oh and say it with a lisp while trying to lick your elbow
31 October 2007, 12:35 PM
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lol **** me, lets take a proper look at this...
A complete stranger messes up the foundations of his house, damaging yours in the process, leaving you homeless. Once home, you now live next door to a derelict house, still moving, still damaging your house....
Now, the same stranger finds out he has messed up and needs the situation to appear to be something its not......
And I should do him a favour............... for nothing...... goodness of my heart and all that..................
Nope, favours like that DO have a price, and for a damn good reason.
In this case, there is no price on my pride and dignity.
A complete stranger messes up the foundations of his house, damaging yours in the process, leaving you homeless. Once home, you now live next door to a derelict house, still moving, still damaging your house....
Now, the same stranger finds out he has messed up and needs the situation to appear to be something its not......
And I should do him a favour............... for nothing...... goodness of my heart and all that..................
Nope, favours like that DO have a price, and for a damn good reason.
In this case, there is no price on my pride and dignity.
31 October 2007, 12:39 PM
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Michael,
From your point of view, what's best?
A) The has the money to repay your expenses and rebuild
b) He goes bust, you get nothing, and the plot gets sold.
Pride and dignity, for sure mate, but don't let priciples get in the way of the best overall outcome for you.
As for Les, it sounds like this may involve a technically fraudulent insurance claim - hardly a "favour"
From your point of view, what's best?
A) The has the money to repay your expenses and rebuild
b) He goes bust, you get nothing, and the plot gets sold.
Pride and dignity, for sure mate, but don't let priciples get in the way of the best overall outcome for you.
As for Les, it sounds like this may involve a technically fraudulent insurance claim - hardly a "favour"
31 October 2007, 12:45 PM
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Michael,
From your point of view, what's best?
A) The has the money to repay your expenses and rebuild
b) He goes bust, you get nothing, and the plot gets sold.
Pride and dignity, for sure mate, but don't let priciples get in the way of the best overall outcome for you.
As for Les, it sounds like this may involve a technically fraudulent insurance claim - hardly a "favour"
From your point of view, what's best?
A) The has the money to repay your expenses and rebuild
b) He goes bust, you get nothing, and the plot gets sold.
Pride and dignity, for sure mate, but don't let priciples get in the way of the best overall outcome for you.
As for Les, it sounds like this may involve a technically fraudulent insurance claim - hardly a "favour"
TBH I would rather they went bust and gave another company a chance to make amends to the plot. The damage to our place is minimal and will be taken care of regardless, and certainly not by them.
31 October 2007, 12:51 PM
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31 October 2007, 12:51 PM
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Repairs to my place are not really a concern tbh, thats what insurance is for
TBH I would rather they went bust and gave another company a chance to make amends to the plot. The damage to our place is minimal and will be taken care of regardless, and certainly not by them.
TBH I would rather they went bust and gave another company a chance to make amends to the plot. The damage to our place is minimal and will be taken care of regardless, and certainly not by them.
If you want to be really hard about it, find out who he's insured with and tell them he's asked you to assist him in committing insurance fraud
31 October 2007, 12:54 PM
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I wont lie and say the thought has not crossed my mind lol, but then there is nothing to gain, and it would start to get messy. Not like he dont know where I live lol.
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Would have to be something extreme to convince me, certainly not something I would do for someone who has caused so much hardship to the community.
31 October 2007, 02:04 PM
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Sorry to ask the question but I couldn't find it scanning through the other threads.
Why was all the earth removed in the first place? Is the builders own house?
Having seen how serious it all looks, I wouldn't lie personally.
Why was all the earth removed in the first place? Is the builders own house?
Having seen how serious it all looks, I wouldn't lie personally.
31 October 2007, 02:07 PM
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Its their house.
Bought for £800k.
Spent £200k on it so far.
Insured for £1.2m
Projected sales value £2.1m
Their view on the whole event is "oh well, now we will have a clear plot, so can build something bigger and make more money.
31 October 2007, 02:19 PM
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Michael, my costs and benefits had a 
as, depending on the definition, you could write a list a page long. As others have stated, what happens if you **** him off, what happens if it's found out, what can he do for you, etc etc.
Having now glanced at the original story (I never saw it), I would say be very wary of saying anything to him as you don't know how he/the insurance could use it against you or against your own claim in future, and that would be my position. He could also turn on you and say "now I have proof you're complicit in the fraud" etc to obtain other cooperation or benefits from you. I think, from your POV, you could tell him to his face that sorry, it's simply not in your own interests to support him - yes it would help him but put you in a weaker position and you don't see why you should do that. Maybe that approach will work to say that you're not interested but will avoid a brick (/JCB) through your window in future.
as, depending on the definition, you could write a list a page long. As others have stated, what happens if you **** him off, what happens if it's found out, what can he do for you, etc etc.Having now glanced at the original story (I never saw it), I would say be very wary of saying anything to him as you don't know how he/the insurance could use it against you or against your own claim in future, and that would be my position. He could also turn on you and say "now I have proof you're complicit in the fraud" etc to obtain other cooperation or benefits from you. I think, from your POV, you could tell him to his face that sorry, it's simply not in your own interests to support him - yes it would help him but put you in a weaker position and you don't see why you should do that. Maybe that approach will work to say that you're not interested but will avoid a brick (/JCB) through your window in future.
31 October 2007, 02:37 PM
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Michael, my costs and benefits had a as, depending on the definition, you could write a list a page long. As others have stated, what happens if you **** him off, what happens if it's found out, what can he do for you, etc etc.
Having now glanced at the original story (I never saw it), I would say be very wary of saying anything to him as you don't know how he/the insurance could use it against you or against your own claim in future, and that would be my position. He could also turn on you and say "now I have proof you're complicit in the fraud" etc to obtain other cooperation or benefits from you. I think, from your POV, you could tell him to his face that sorry, it's simply not in your own interests to support him - yes it would help him but put you in a weaker position and you don't see why you should do that. Maybe that approach will work to say that you're not interested but will avoid a brick (/JCB) through your window in future.
as, depending on the definition, you could write a list a page long. As others have stated, what happens if you **** him off, what happens if it's found out, what can he do for you, etc etc.Having now glanced at the original story (I never saw it), I would say be very wary of saying anything to him as you don't know how he/the insurance could use it against you or against your own claim in future, and that would be my position. He could also turn on you and say "now I have proof you're complicit in the fraud" etc to obtain other cooperation or benefits from you. I think, from your POV, you could tell him to his face that sorry, it's simply not in your own interests to support him - yes it would help him but put you in a weaker position and you don't see why you should do that. Maybe that approach will work to say that you're not interested but will avoid a brick (/JCB) through your window in future.
Its all good mate, as far as im concerned, I am willing to say exactly what happened. If he would like me to put that on the record, I will happily do that for him. If however he feels it would not be in his interests, then I will not represent him.
HOWEVER
If the local authorities wish to hear my accounts, I will be inclined to assist them.
I dont think he would retaliate in any way, just for me not saying what he wants me to.
There are certainly no threats etc.
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Sounds to me that he's asking you to take place in a fraud. I'd consider very carefully telling outright lies for gain, especially when it comes to insurance companies paying out quite a large sum. It is bound to be investigated, and any sniff of something fishy they'll go for prosecution IMHO. Which could land you with a fine and some clink time.
Of course, if what he is offering is attractive enough then you may wish to consider what he proposes. As nothing has been offered so far and he still owes you money etc, I'd say a windfall for you is not going to be forthcoming.
Of course, if what he is offering is attractive enough then you may wish to consider what he proposes. As nothing has been offered so far and he still owes you money etc, I'd say a windfall for you is not going to be forthcoming.