michaelro

Reading an article on the bbc BBC NEWS | UK | Jails adapted for foreign inmates

11,000 out of 81,000 prisoners are foreign nationals.

So basically, people commiting serious crimes are allowed to walk free as our prisons are too full.
Estimates place the cost to fund a prisoner per annum between £30-40k

Surely as soon as they commit a crime which would result in prison - Human rights should be revoked and they should be deported to their country of origin?

PeteBrant

On radio 4 this morning the ridiculousness of the situation was laid bare. Straight after these people come out of prison they are deported (unless of ocurse the country of origin is considered life threatening). Why on earth are we spending money to incarcerate these people? It's utterly moronic.

If the accepted procedure is to deport these people once they have been convicted of a crime, then why on earth are we jailing them here?

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

That's probably less controversial than my suggestion, which involved the Atlantic, an old boat loaded with them, and a torpedo!

OllyK

Because in some / many cases if they were deported they would not be jailed on return to their home country and we be free to return to the UK illegally again. OK, some may be executed on return by hey, shouldn't have broken the laws in the UK.

PeteBrant

Well this is exactly why I made the proviso that the country of origin should be safe.

I'm not sure that this is a valid reason not to deport. They could return to the UK illegally if they had served thier sentence and then been deported, or if they had been deported straight after conviction.

Assuming that punishment is part of the purpose of Prison, then surely the fact that they are in the UK in the first place means that deporting them from the country is a form of punishment. Regardless of whether the country of origin decides to imprison them or not.

Luminous

iTrader: (3)

I believe the policy to incarcerate people on these shores is to ensure justice is seen to be done. If they have broken laws here, then they should serve a similar sentence compared to someone else living here who did the same crime.

It all depends where they come from in the world. There are lots of places that simply let them out, due to different laws or bribes. I agree its madness. We should be able to send them back to the country they came from for them to serve time there. That should be possible for EU counties as well as the states.

OllyK

I'm not bothered if it is, fine it needs to be a consideration for deportation at original arrival, but once you break the law, all bets are off as far as I'm concerned.

I think Luminous has pretty much covered this in that it is in part being seen to ensure justice for the victim rather them getting to be living free in another country.

Lee247

Perfect

The Zohan

I do feel that we should jail them here unless guaranteed that they wil serve the same in thier country of origin.

Well, if they knew from the outset that they will get deported if the break our laws and still do so then they know what is waiting for them.

People chose to in 99.99% of cases to break the law and should face the consequences even if they are harsh or indeed mean death. they know the score, it is their choice.

Sadly these days everyone knows their rights but few seem to know about thier responsibilities as well.

What did rile me was that an immigration officer called into R5 and said that it is very difficult to prove where some people come from as they do not have papers/passports. Also that a lot claim asylum as soon as they come out of jail and put more pressure on our already overloaded system - simple commit crime in the UK and get deported - end of story - simple solution

Simple
1) No passport or papers then no entry in the first place - How the hell can we let in people who we do not know what they are/who they are!

2) upon entry then straight onto the DNA database

3) Break the law and get deported after finishing sentence here, if they re-enter then auto 25 years in jail hard labour.

4) Jail time (for all) to mean labour of some sort - perhaps building new prisons or working on the road infrastructure to pay for thier board and learn some skills.

Iwan

Time to outsource the prisons. Lease some land somewhere really cheap/horrible like Ethiopia or the Skeleton Coast, set up a nice cheap prison without air conditioning, with some ex-militia prison guards.

Would save a stack of money.

And to ensure fairness, ship out the rest of our crims there too.

Suresh

The Swiss apparently aren't happy that furriners make up a high percentage of their prison population, so they chose a party that pledges to do something about it -

jods

1) - Agreed - But take Photo / Fingerprint of everyone entering / trying to enter the country.
2) - Agreed - But the cost of swab / analysis FIRST time to be met or contributed to by the person arriving. Subsequent swabs to be free ?
3) - Agree with Deportation - Disagree with 25 years Jail if try to re-enter, You any idea how much that would cost ? I'm not paying my hard earned £ to feed, house and clothe some foreign johnny - Oh and provide **** mags / PS3's TV's etc - FFS!!! Jail should be a 7 ft by 4 ft cell with a bed and a loo and a sink - END OF. We could house a **** load more scumbags if we reviewed cell size down somewhat.
4) Agreed - In the USA - Certain categories of Prisoners are allowed out of their Cells to clean streets / pick up dog **** / remove grafitti etc. They wear Big Yellow trackkies. [Not in the UK though - cos that would "Hurt their feelings" !!!!! ]

My additional points...

5) For every case of a criminal coming into this country committing crimes against others living here - Apply a levy against the country of Origin - Might make the Host Govt think twice about releasing them from jail and giving them tickets to travel here - IT HAPPENS. [Levy should cover all legal costs, all compensation costs, all incarceration costs, all repatriation costs AND Punitive damages equal to all the above to send a strong message - If the GOVT doesn't pay - Simple answer, Trade Embargo]

6) Europe wide agreement that anyone jailed for a serious crime has passport siezed for 3 times the length of their sentence (NOT the time served - Unless it is longer for bad behaviour etc). DNA, Photo, Fingerprint and Retina scan taken and shared EU wide. - Any Govt catching the offender at incoming port sues host govt for a nominal £1million and puts that money into Criminal Injury Compensation Fund

7) All [UK] based assets of non-residents found guilty of "Serious" crimes to be frozen and ultimately used to fund Criminal Injuries Compensation or Victim of Crimes Compensation.

8) Internet Based database giving FULL Details of EVERYONE deported from a country which should be available to all people in the deporting country

9) Reward Scheme for anyone reporting a returned deportee - Again funded by the seized assets listed above. [ Aware this may be open to abuse so needs careful handling - Perhaps by tripling fines to host countries and transient countries for a return offender who SHOULD a) have no passport b) be fully documented by Photo / DNA / Fingerprint / retina scan and therefore should not be able to travel.