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Old 11 September 2007, 12:59 PM
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BBC NEWS | England | Merseyside | Woman cleared of dog attack death

tbh I was hoping she would have been found guilty for the death of Ellie by the pitbull
Old 11 September 2007, 01:00 PM
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she still knows she was in the wrong and will have to live with it for the rest of her life,guilt doesnt just go away because a jury says so
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But if the owner knew the dog was a risk and 'illegal', surely the blame lies with him?
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The owner wasn't present, and he did get 8 weeks in jail for owning a dangerous breed illegal dog

The blame lay with the grandmother who was babysitting Ellie, and was high on a cocktail of drugs, booze and sleeping tablets and Anti Depressants, and knew that the dog was not allowed in the house whilst Ellie was there, a rule that had been inplace since her brother was born some 12 months earlier
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TBH the negative impact on society of that entire family is so much greater than whether granny gets sent down its almost pointless anyway.
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Originally Posted by Sonic'


...... and knew that the dog was not allowed in the house whilst Ellie was there, a rule that had been inplace since her brother was born some 12 months earlier
I think the details of that rule were disputed in court. It was said that rule only applied when young brother was in house.

Not that the grandmother was in any state to remember the "rules".

I was surprised that a jury let it go......... dl
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More to the point:

The dog, which had been involved in two other attacks

Why was it still alive?



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I wouldnt have left my kids with their grandmother if she behaved like this.....
Old 11 September 2007, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
If that tramps actions don't constitute gross neglect then I don't know what does. Shocking verdict and a totally wrong one.

Quite, and the only one who paid the price is the poor little girl.

Still, if child molesters can get of with non-custodial sentances then what do you expect. Kids lives and the protection of children seems worth very little these days.
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What kind of ******** actually wants a Pit Bull, it isn't a big Staffie like some think, its like 2 or 3 Staffies lashed together with a bad attitude. Then leaves their child with their mother who proceeds to get off her **** on 2 bottles of wine and loads of weed.

F*ckin country is going to the dogs (sic)
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they are like guns you should be banned from having one because you want one
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
True. From what I heard the parents left her there because she wanted to stay with Grannie. BUT, as a parent, would you have left your kid with a half-pissed woman out of her skull on drugs (I don't care what she says about the joints not affecting her - she had had lots that day!) and with a dangerous dog in the garden who was known for attacking people, even if she was your own mum? I know I wouldn't have ....

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The owner is a known dealer around these parts, and also Ellies Dad is alleged to be one of his (Kiel's) suppliers, they were driven off the previous estate they lived on becuase of drug dealing

Says a lot about the entire family

Local talk here is that Ellie's head was seperated from her body after the attack, although that has never actually been reported in any of the media
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Shameful lack of responsibility all round I think!

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Originally Posted by The Snug Rhino
TBH the negative impact on society of that entire family is so much greater than whether granny gets sent down its almost pointless anyway.
Exactly. Bunch of drug dealing criminal scumbags living off handouts and taking money robbed off other kids/grannies etc to pay for smack.

They should just feed the lot of them to the dog.

5t.
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Originally Posted by J4CKO
What kind of ******** actually wants a Pit Bull,
F*ckin country is going to the dogs (sic)

A drug dealing fcuked up scumbag and has chavcsum mother by the sounds of things.

And the upshot is a little girl died due to their lack of responsibility and care - what a damn shame for her!

They should have been made an example of IMHO
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Apparently Ellie's parents have split up and Ellie's Dad has become a lot closer to Kiel the dog owner

Ellie's Grandmother was also a convicted drug dealer too
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