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Hi Phil.
Are you able to help with this?
Room size 16x16. Wallpaper already stripped off. Walls have had rewiring done/chased and new sockets so there is some making good to do. Old house so there are some minor cracks in the plaster.
Timber windows that cover almost all of one wall (ie facing the street)
How many days labour would it take prep then wallpaper all the walls (lining them first), paint the windows, ceilings, skirting and door to a good standard?
Sorry if details are vague, but feel free to ask.
Thanks
Deep
Are you able to help with this?
Room size 16x16. Wallpaper already stripped off. Walls have had rewiring done/chased and new sockets so there is some making good to do. Old house so there are some minor cracks in the plaster.
Timber windows that cover almost all of one wall (ie facing the street)
How many days labour would it take prep then wallpaper all the walls (lining them first), paint the windows, ceilings, skirting and door to a good standard?
Sorry if details are vague, but feel free to ask.
Thanks
Deep
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Hi Phil.
Are you able to help with this?
Room size 16x16. Wallpaper already stripped off. Walls have had rewiring done/chased and new sockets so there is some making good to do. Old house so there are some minor cracks in the plaster.
Timber windows that cover almost all of one wall (ie facing the street)
How many days labour would it take prep then wallpaper all the walls (lining them first), paint the windows, ceilings, skirting and door to a good standard?
Sorry if details are vague, but feel free to ask.
Thanks
Deep
Are you able to help with this?
Room size 16x16. Wallpaper already stripped off. Walls have had rewiring done/chased and new sockets so there is some making good to do. Old house so there are some minor cracks in the plaster.
Timber windows that cover almost all of one wall (ie facing the street)
How many days labour would it take prep then wallpaper all the walls (lining them first), paint the windows, ceilings, skirting and door to a good standard?
Sorry if details are vague, but feel free to ask.
Thanks
Deep
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01 February 2007, 10:54 PM
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Ok Gatty I'd like to know your opinion. I can't make you out though, sometimes you make outrageously racist comments, and then you want to help me out
Have you got multiple personalities?
Have you got multiple personalities?
02 February 2007, 09:12 AM
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deep, beleive it or not i dont regard myself as racist maybe right of moderate but skin colour dont come into it!
i appologise if i offended you and anyone else with my more spontainious outburts when i get pushed.
With regards to your room, well i recommend that you save a packet on linning and use scrim tape and lafarge fine form on your cracks and carlite bonding on your chasing topped off with the fine form.
Fine form is a great way to renovate bad walls without linning and its a better finish.
to prep a room that size one man could do it in a day and 1/2 aday to sand down the fine form the next day. and in the other 1/2 day paint skirting and doors.
ok allow another half day if someone is on the slow side.
allow 2 tubs of fine form £40 tops
1 bag of carlite bonding £4.50
wall / ceiling paint and satin wood for your archy/skirtings and door.
all the best
i appologise if i offended you and anyone else with my more spontainious outburts when i get pushed.
With regards to your room, well i recommend that you save a packet on linning and use scrim tape and lafarge fine form on your cracks and carlite bonding on your chasing topped off with the fine form.
Fine form is a great way to renovate bad walls without linning and its a better finish.
to prep a room that size one man could do it in a day and 1/2 aday to sand down the fine form the next day. and in the other 1/2 day paint skirting and doors.
ok allow another half day if someone is on the slow side.
allow 2 tubs of fine form £40 tops
1 bag of carlite bonding £4.50
wall / ceiling paint and satin wood for your archy/skirtings and door.
all the best
02 February 2007, 06:06 PM
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Hi Gatty, no probs. I'm a bit right of centre myself!
Not intending on doing it myself but when the decorators give a quote they say it will take say 8 days and want to charge £x per day.I want to know if they are saying its going to take longer than it is so they can rip me off. So are you saying 5 days or less for a professional to do it?
Thanks
ps are you a tradesman yourself?
Not intending on doing it myself but when the decorators give a quote they say it will take say 8 days and want to charge £x per day.I want to know if they are saying its going to take longer than it is so they can rip me off. So are you saying 5 days or less for a professional to do it?
Thanks
ps are you a tradesman yourself?
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Hi Gatty, no probs. I'm a bit right of centre myself!
Not intending on doing it myself but when the decorators give a quote they say it will take say 8 days and want to charge £x per day.I want to know if they are saying its going to take longer than it is so they can rip me off. So are you saying 5 days or less for a professional to do it?
Thanks
ps are you a tradesman yourself?
Not intending on doing it myself but when the decorators give a quote they say it will take say 8 days and want to charge £x per day.I want to know if they are saying its going to take longer than it is so they can rip me off. So are you saying 5 days or less for a professional to do it?
Thanks
ps are you a tradesman yourself?
8 days!!!! wtf if they charge £10 a day then yes but straight away that tells me there chancers.
2 1/2 days max for one good tradesman whos used to working at pace.
i work the big sites where time is money so i always work flat out, domestic workers tend to have more tea breaks
good luck
04 February 2007, 05:02 PM
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Just got the info off SJSkyline that you had FAO me, as been at Richards house this weekend.
DeepSingh.. I'll PM you in a bit.
BUT.... I'd would say.. I'm glad we don't let plasterers do the decorating.. its us who have to make their walls look better.
The reason for lining is to give a good surface for the wall paper to be hung on. Taking too much of a chance to paper direct onto just a plastered wall. You do paper direct onto a well prepared/sized* walls (*using a thiner solution of paste on the wall before you paper it, this is to even out the perosity of the surface) when using Blown Vinyl papers.
we're on a job at the mo that w'vebeen on three weeks, two of these weeks were stripping and preping, rubbing down and sizing the wall. also rubbed woodwork down. Its a big staircase and last week two of us have LINED the walls. I pasted while dad lined.. we've still not finished it yet.. we've had to leave where the leccy is chasing out (he couldn't start till the 5th -tomorrow-) and the rads need removing so we can strip and get behind them.
getting back to it. the wall paper is costing about 80pounds a roll!! looking at 32 rolls at the price and they'll be another 20 rolls of some other paper (that will be a bit cheaper) that needs to be confirmed later this week. Lining goes without saying when dealing with quality wall papers and coverings!
DeepSingh.. I'll PM you in a bit.
BUT.... I'd would say.. I'm glad we don't let plasterers do the decorating.. its us who have to make their walls look better.
The reason for lining is to give a good surface for the wall paper to be hung on. Taking too much of a chance to paper direct onto just a plastered wall. You do paper direct onto a well prepared/sized* walls (*using a thiner solution of paste on the wall before you paper it, this is to even out the perosity of the surface) when using Blown Vinyl papers.
we're on a job at the mo that w'vebeen on three weeks, two of these weeks were stripping and preping, rubbing down and sizing the wall. also rubbed woodwork down. Its a big staircase and last week two of us have LINED the walls. I pasted while dad lined.. we've still not finished it yet.. we've had to leave where the leccy is chasing out (he couldn't start till the 5th -tomorrow-) and the rads need removing so we can strip and get behind them.
getting back to it. the wall paper is costing about 80pounds a roll!! looking at 32 rolls at the price and they'll be another 20 rolls of some other paper (that will be a bit cheaper) that needs to be confirmed later this week. Lining goes without saying when dealing with quality wall papers and coverings!
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Just got the info off SJSkyline that you had FAO me, as been at Richards house this weekend.
DeepSingh.. I'll PM you in a bit.
BUT.... I'd would say.. I'm glad we don't let plasterers do the decorating.. its us who have to make their walls look better.
The reason for lining is to give a good surface for the wall paper to be hung on. Taking too much of a chance to paper direct onto just a plastered wall. You do paper direct onto a well prepared/sized* walls (*using a thiner solution of paste on the wall before you paper it, this is to even out the perosity of the surface) when using Blown Vinyl papers.
we're on a job at the mo that w'vebeen on three weeks, two of these weeks were stripping and preping, rubbing down and sizing the wall. also rubbed woodwork down. Its a big staircase and last week two of us have LINED the walls. I pasted while dad lined.. we've still not finished it yet.. we've had to leave where the leccy is chasing out (he couldn't start till the 5th -tomorrow-) and the rads need removing so we can strip and get behind them.
getting back to it. the wall paper is costing about 80pounds a roll!! looking at 32 rolls at the price and they'll be another 20 rolls of some other paper (that will be a bit cheaper) that needs to be confirmed later this week. Lining goes without saying when dealing with quality wall papers and coverings!
DeepSingh.. I'll PM you in a bit.
BUT.... I'd would say.. I'm glad we don't let plasterers do the decorating.. its us who have to make their walls look better.
The reason for lining is to give a good surface for the wall paper to be hung on. Taking too much of a chance to paper direct onto just a plastered wall. You do paper direct onto a well prepared/sized* walls (*using a thiner solution of paste on the wall before you paper it, this is to even out the perosity of the surface) when using Blown Vinyl papers.
we're on a job at the mo that w'vebeen on three weeks, two of these weeks were stripping and preping, rubbing down and sizing the wall. also rubbed woodwork down. Its a big staircase and last week two of us have LINED the walls. I pasted while dad lined.. we've still not finished it yet.. we've had to leave where the leccy is chasing out (he couldn't start till the 5th -tomorrow-) and the rads need removing so we can strip and get behind them.
getting back to it. the wall paper is costing about 80pounds a roll!! looking at 32 rolls at the price and they'll be another 20 rolls of some other paper (that will be a bit cheaper) that needs to be confirmed later this week. Lining goes without saying when dealing with quality wall papers and coverings!
lol, semi skilled painter telling a time served plasterer
i could rip off the walls back to brick re plaster and paint in 4 days on my own.
as regards to quality, i am a member of the plasterers federation, my work is a1 i can assure you.
if you can **** you can paint and i mean that , the way you make money is pissing faster.
if you would had come onto this post with a bit more respect for a "traditional" plasterer then maybe i would had refrazed my post a bit, as you come straight out with an insult what more can you expect.
i have seen revovation projects over 5mk mark using methods that supersead old techniques.
maybe its time to move on.
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So in four days you ar expecting the render ,hardwall or bonding to dry out, thats after you have skimmed it as well? then paint it?? and what about drying times?? or is it just rush rush rush??
also a good painter is not easy to find . One that understands all the different stages and keeps to them, rather than a 1 x multi primer and 1 x top coat type painters. Good painters know how to make paint, Linseed etc. paint using brushes only for high quality classic finish or HVLP for ultra flat. Rollers dont even belong !!
Dont talk down a good painter. they can earn £160 + cash a day everyday when clients value them/
also a good painter is not easy to find . One that understands all the different stages and keeps to them, rather than a 1 x multi primer and 1 x top coat type painters. Good painters know how to make paint, Linseed etc. paint using brushes only for high quality classic finish or HVLP for ultra flat. Rollers dont even belong !!
Dont talk down a good painter. they can earn £160 + cash a day everyday when clients value them/
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So in four days you ar expecting the render ,hardwall or bonding to dry out, thats after you have skimmed it as well? then paint it?? and what about drying times?? or is it just rush rush rush??
also a good painter is not easy to find . One that understands all the different stages and keeps to them, rather than a 1 x multi primer and 1 x top coat type painters. Good painters know how to make paint, Linseed etc. paint using brushes only for high quality classic finish or HVLP for ultra flat. Rollers dont even belong !!
Dont talk down a good painter. they can earn £160 + cash a day everyday when clients value them/
also a good painter is not easy to find . One that understands all the different stages and keeps to them, rather than a 1 x multi primer and 1 x top coat type painters. Good painters know how to make paint, Linseed etc. paint using brushes only for high quality classic finish or HVLP for ultra flat. Rollers dont even belong !!
Dont talk down a good painter. they can earn £160 + cash a day everyday when clients value them/
he talked down to me (did u read his post?)
dab and skim i 1 day that method.
£160 a day i was earning that 8 years ago.
i would and do respect anyone that works let alone trades men who i respect even more.
not looking for a row but i am **** hot at what i do and i know exactly what i can do in a day,
i tell you what foget this post because it looks like you want a scrap about it.
and more to the point i am grafting early tomorrow i shift about 35-40 bags of hardwall a day on my own, so i dont wanna row about somthing i know 100% about.
just putting another veiw across and other methods. trying to help.
04 February 2007, 07:20 PM
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Gatty, maybe thats where I must be going wrong.. not time served!
Seamaster, your right, we were taking about this sort of thing on friday, father/som talk about how packet paste has come on so long and i asked when the last time he used hot water mix paste, we were taught about it at college but theres never been any point in using it with the SOLVITE stuff out now... then i got the talk about when he was in his apprenticeship they made paste out of flour etc and he could still do it now, then went onto making paint from scratch... lead based!!
oh how we've moved on.
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amanda went years ago, I'm now married to Jo... a lot better
Gatty, maybe thats where I must be going wrong.. not time served!
Seamaster, your right, we were taking about this sort of thing on friday, father/som talk about how packet paste has come on so long and i asked when the last time he used hot water mix paste, we were taught about it at college but theres never been any point in using it with the SOLVITE stuff out now... then i got the talk about when he was in his apprenticeship they made paste out of flour etc and he could still do it now, then went onto making paint from scratch... lead based!!
oh how we've moved on.
Gatty, maybe thats where I must be going wrong.. not time served!
Seamaster, your right, we were taking about this sort of thing on friday, father/som talk about how packet paste has come on so long and i asked when the last time he used hot water mix paste, we were taught about it at college but theres never been any point in using it with the SOLVITE stuff out now... then i got the talk about when he was in his apprenticeship they made paste out of flour etc and he could still do it now, then went onto making paint from scratch... lead based!!
oh how we've moved on.
you way is old and proven and at the end of it its still only linning paper only good for painting or one application of wall paper when you change your mind you have to start from scratch.
the way i suggest is quicker and more versatile sniff sniff
hay, wtf . its sunday night time for cider and chatting to my missus now the kids are in bed.
04 February 2007, 07:45 PM
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whether you do it your way or not, if your hanging wall paper you'll still line it first.... as thats how its done.
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[QUOTE=gatt
i tell you what foget this post because it looks like you want a scrap about it.
and more to the point i am grafting early tomorrow i shift about 35-40 bags of hardwall a day on my own, so i dont wanna row about somthing i know 100% about.
just putting another veiw across and other methods. trying to help.[/QUOTE]
35 bags and more a day of hardwall is some work for sure. do you do "lime" work " etc ??
and at the going rate you wont be earning much for long .... The Poles have arrived and they are 100% going to take over the work. get it whilst you can !!
But for agood painter to end up with £160.00 a day he will be earning far far far far more than most guys here !!
i tell you what foget this post because it looks like you want a scrap about it.
and more to the point i am grafting early tomorrow i shift about 35-40 bags of hardwall a day on my own, so i dont wanna row about somthing i know 100% about.
just putting another veiw across and other methods. trying to help.[/QUOTE]
35 bags and more a day of hardwall is some work for sure. do you do "lime" work " etc ??
and at the going rate you wont be earning much for long .... The Poles have arrived and they are 100% going to take over the work. get it whilst you can !!
But for agood painter to end up with £160.00 a day he will be earning far far far far more than most guys here !!
04 February 2007, 10:26 PM
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ask DeepSingh about hiring 'cheap' portugese labour!! lol, he could write a book.... it would be a best seller in the horror section of waterstones!!!
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