Channel Islands and IoM
Channel Islands and IoM
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Yes, that's my point/question.
Presumably they are *slightly* outside of the UK, but have an official status as something, what ever that may be.
Anyone know ?
Are CI and IoM having same status ?
What about the Falklands ?
Presumably they are *slightly* outside of the UK, but have an official status as something, what ever that may be.
Anyone know ?
Are CI and IoM having same status ?
What about the Falklands ?
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Originally Posted by velohead66
Yes, that's my point/question.
Presumably they are *slightly* outside of the UK, but have an official status as something, what ever that may be.
Anyone know ?
Presumably they are *slightly* outside of the UK, but have an official status as something, what ever that may be.
Anyone know ?
Or, if you want to be pedantic, "crown dependencies". The UK government have virtually no control over them as they come under the crown.
The Falklands, Gibraltar etc are "overseas territories" of the UK which is almost the same except that it means the UK government have ultimate control.
From Wikipedia
John.
Crown dependencies are possessions of the British Crown, as opposed to overseas territories or colonies of the United Kingdom. They comprise the Channel Island bailiwicks of Jersey and Guernsey and the Isle of Man in the Irish Sea.
None form a part of the United Kingdom, being separate jurisdictions, nor do they form part of the European Union. All three Crown Dependencies are members of the British-Irish Council. From 2005, all three Crown Dependencies each have a Chief Minister as head of government. However, as they are possessions of the British Crown they are not sovereign nations in their own right.
None form a part of the United Kingdom, being separate jurisdictions, nor do they form part of the European Union. All three Crown Dependencies are members of the British-Irish Council. From 2005, all three Crown Dependencies each have a Chief Minister as head of government. However, as they are possessions of the British Crown they are not sovereign nations in their own right.
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Actually the true answer to this is more interesting.
As a Jerseyman who can trace his family name in Jersey back to the year 900 AD it always makes me laugh when people ask "if Jersey belongs to England".
In 1066 William, Duke of Normandy, controlled all of Normandy that included the Channel Islands. William (or Billy the Bar Steward as he is also known) of course came over to Hastings and conquered the English. Therefore it is more correct to state that England belongs to Jersey!
In 1204, King John granted the rights of independent rule to Jersey in gratitude of the peoples loyalty to the crown. The present Monach, Queen Elizabeth is the head of state and has a representative, The Govenor, in the island. The British monach never gave up the title of Duke of Normandy so at Jersey dinners whenever there is a toast to the Queen, us crapauds (meaning local "toads"), toast "Notre Duke" as the head of state to give her her correct and superior title.
Despite King Johns proclomation in 1204 there is no written constitution and the exact constitutional relationship has been studied by many great legal minds. By convention, the UK government do not get involved in Jersey's internal affairs and that has worked well for centuries. Unfortunately, New Labour love to destroy centuries old traditions and have began to meddle in Jersey's affairs. Technically it is believed that they may be able to legislate for Jersey but this has never been tested. It would require the consent of the Queen via the Privy Council. Jersey has full autonomy in tax affairs but allows the UK to respresent it in international relationships.
Why was the original question asked? Any particular reason?
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As a Jerseyman who can trace his family name in Jersey back to the year 900 AD it always makes me laugh when people ask "if Jersey belongs to England".
In 1066 William, Duke of Normandy, controlled all of Normandy that included the Channel Islands. William (or Billy the Bar Steward as he is also known) of course came over to Hastings and conquered the English. Therefore it is more correct to state that England belongs to Jersey!
In 1204, King John granted the rights of independent rule to Jersey in gratitude of the peoples loyalty to the crown. The present Monach, Queen Elizabeth is the head of state and has a representative, The Govenor, in the island. The British monach never gave up the title of Duke of Normandy so at Jersey dinners whenever there is a toast to the Queen, us crapauds (meaning local "toads"), toast "Notre Duke" as the head of state to give her her correct and superior title.
Despite King Johns proclomation in 1204 there is no written constitution and the exact constitutional relationship has been studied by many great legal minds. By convention, the UK government do not get involved in Jersey's internal affairs and that has worked well for centuries. Unfortunately, New Labour love to destroy centuries old traditions and have began to meddle in Jersey's affairs. Technically it is believed that they may be able to legislate for Jersey but this has never been tested. It would require the consent of the Queen via the Privy Council. Jersey has full autonomy in tax affairs but allows the UK to respresent it in international relationships.
Why was the original question asked? Any particular reason?
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Why The Question...
Oh, it came about in a general discussion about taxes, which led to the comment about offshore accounts in CI.
Question was asked why CI were different from the UK.
Was not sure of the answer, and I don't like being too ignorant if I can help it.
Good responses, I stand enleightened.
(well sit actually, lunchtime at work).
Question was asked why CI were different from the UK.
Was not sure of the answer, and I don't like being too ignorant if I can help it.
Good responses, I stand enleightened.
(well sit actually, lunchtime at work).
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Wurzel did a thread about this yesterday I think. Barclays had just lost a case against HMRC and will have to give them all their records about accounts held on Jersey and Guernsey, so some people may get a nasty surprise if they haven't been declaring the money as they should.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4761851.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4761851.stm
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