Scum of the Earth
27 July 2005, 09:11 AM
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Scum of the Earth
Decent people don't stand a chance with this kind of monster in existence.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4719977.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4719977.stm
27 July 2005, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
What's monstrous about that?
What's wrong with combating violence with violence? It does work sometimes. The worlds greatest civilisations have been built on violence.
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27 July 2005, 09:31 AM
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No. it's the whole New Labour ethos isn't it. We shouldn't punish people, smack children, shouldn't label people as failures etc.
It is this attitude that is responsible for the mess in many areas in British society.
Yes, there have to be safeguards, but I strongly believe for instance that a suspected terrorist should lose all rights. (and before someone argues human rights I think the rights of a society are more important)
It is this attitude that is responsible for the mess in many areas in British society.
Yes, there have to be safeguards, but I strongly believe for instance that a suspected terrorist should lose all rights. (and before someone argues human rights I think the rights of a society are more important)
27 July 2005, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by darts_aint_sport
Err, she is right though. Or should we just allow anyone and everyone to be arrested because some copper thinks we look a 'bit shifty'. Then the terrorists really have succeeded.
Civil liberties are needed for civilians - Actual terrorists should be put to death in a manner befitting their actions.
27 July 2005, 09:37 AM
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Let's not forget that these people arrested under anti-terorism laws are not angels. The police usually have found some sort of link or evidence, albeit maybe not enough to convict someone.
For example, if you found an Algerian man who had made calls to known terrorists/groups and had bomb making literature in his house, he hasn't really broken any laws but you know damn wellhe is up to no good. This is the type of person that Cherie would say release back into society so they can continue planning their attacks.
For example, if you found an Algerian man who had made calls to known terrorists/groups and had bomb making literature in his house, he hasn't really broken any laws but you know damn wellhe is up to no good. This is the type of person that Cherie would say release back into society so they can continue planning their attacks.
27 July 2005, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
Let's not forget that these people arrested under anti-terorism laws are not angels. The police usually have found some sort of link or evidence, albeit maybe not enough to convict someone.
For example, if you found an Algerian man who had made calls to known terrorists/groups and had bomb making literature in his house, he hasn't really broken any laws but you know damn wellhe is up to no good. This is the type of person that Cherie would say release back into society so they can continue planning their attacks.
For example, if you found an Algerian man who had made calls to known terrorists/groups and had bomb making literature in his house, he hasn't really broken any laws but you know damn wellhe is up to no good. This is the type of person that Cherie would say release back into society so they can continue planning their attacks.
She's saying we need to be careful - and we do !
27 July 2005, 09:45 AM
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I'm STILL not convinced i'm reading the right link.
She's saying we shouldn't resort to terrorist tactics to beat the terrorists, isn't she, which seems a valid viewpoint given that we call ourselves a civilised society. I don't see anything there about becoming more lenient within the framework of the law; in fact she talks about holding people for longer without charge.
What am i missing?
She's saying we shouldn't resort to terrorist tactics to beat the terrorists, isn't she, which seems a valid viewpoint given that we call ourselves a civilised society. I don't see anything there about becoming more lenient within the framework of the law; in fact she talks about holding people for longer without charge.
What am i missing?
27 July 2005, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
Let's not forget that these people arrested under anti-terorism laws are not angels. The police usually have found some sort of link or evidence, albeit maybe not enough to convict someone.
For example, if you found an Algerian man who had made calls to known terrorists/groups and had bomb making literature in his house, he hasn't really broken any laws but you know damn wellhe is up to no good. This is the type of person that Cherie would say release back into society so they can continue planning their attacks.
For example, if you found an Algerian man who had made calls to known terrorists/groups and had bomb making literature in his house, he hasn't really broken any laws but you know damn wellhe is up to no good. This is the type of person that Cherie would say release back into society so they can continue planning their attacks.
If I recall SN general opinion was that people would rather die than surrender their basic freedoms. i.e. do a search on the objections here to the Prevention of Terrorism Act.
Some people will object to everything NL does. Damned if they do, damned if they don't, really. Personally, on balance I think they're doing a good, but not great job of running the country.
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27 July 2005, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
I'm STILL not convinced i'm reading the right link.
She's saying we shouldn't resort to terrorist tactics to beat the terrorists, isn't she, which seems a valid viewpoint given that we call ourselves a civilised society. I don't see anything there about becoming more lenient within the framework of the law; in fact she talks about holding people for longer without charge.
What am i missing?
She's saying we shouldn't resort to terrorist tactics to beat the terrorists, isn't she, which seems a valid viewpoint given that we call ourselves a civilised society. I don't see anything there about becoming more lenient within the framework of the law; in fact she talks about holding people for longer without charge.
What am i missing?
Many other societies see the UK as lacking in morals, discipline etc.
27 July 2005, 10:12 AM
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There was an article in The Times a couple of days ago - the main reason that France is not considered to have a network of terror cells is because of their harsh police regime and the way they ignore many rights that groups in society here have.
I'll try and find it.
I'll try and find it.
27 July 2005, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
Many other societies see the UK as lacking in morals, discipline etc.
Í don't think that the opinion of failed societies needs to bother us to be honest.Back on topic - she is one ugly bird.
27 July 2005, 10:21 AM
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...708389,00.html
The first to confront its Islamic terrorist threat was France, home to Europe’s largest Muslim community, which faced a series of bomb attacks in Paris in the 1980s and 1990s. Most of France’s five million Muslims are Arabs from its former colonies in North Africa, particularly Algeria. The attacks on Paris were seen as revenge both for the past colonisation of Algeria and for supporting the present military regime.
The French Government clamped down on radical Islam in a way that no other country has. No mosque or Islamic prayer hall is off limits to police. Imams preaching hate are regularly deported. France stopped giving asylum to Islamic extremists wanted in their home country, and was disgusted when many of them were given refuge in Britain. As a result of France’s draconian anti- terror laws, the country is thought to be comparatively free of terrorist networks.
The French Government clamped down on radical Islam in a way that no other country has. No mosque or Islamic prayer hall is off limits to police. Imams preaching hate are regularly deported. France stopped giving asylum to Islamic extremists wanted in their home country, and was disgusted when many of them were given refuge in Britain. As a result of France’s draconian anti- terror laws, the country is thought to be comparatively free of terrorist networks.
27 July 2005, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Reality
We also have people being shot for looking "foreign" and coming out of a block of flats that were under surveillance and running to catch a train (these appear to be the facts rather than the speculation of the Brazilian incident).
She's saying we need to be careful - and we do !
She's saying we need to be careful - and we do !
why did he fail to stop??
why was he wearing heavy clothing in summer?
why did he run onto a platform knowing what had happened the day before..
and i have seen somewhere that he may have been an illegal immigrant..
the comment was that he would have still been alive today, had he returned to his homeland when he should have done.....
one of tonys known 300,000 i believe..
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27 July 2005, 01:35 PM
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Conflict of interests in No 10 I feel.
Unfortunately, as in most marriages, I think she wears the trousers! The sooner Mr Brown takes over the better.
Unfortunately, as in most marriages, I think she wears the trousers! The sooner Mr Brown takes over the better.
27 July 2005, 01:35 PM
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why did he fail to stop?? We'll never really know that one
why was he wearing heavy clothing in summer? He was Brazillian - It's much hotter there. I was once in New Orleans and I was wearing shirt sleeves (sunny & warm for me) - the locals were wearing puffa jackets & scarves as they thought it was cold.
why did he run onto a platform knowing what had happened the day before
Maybe he was going to miss his train ?
and i have seen somewhere that he may have been an illegal immigrant..
the comment was that he would have still been alive today, had he returned to his homeland when he should have done.....
If he was here illegally then going home at the right time would have saved his life for sure !
why was he wearing heavy clothing in summer? He was Brazillian - It's much hotter there. I was once in New Orleans and I was wearing shirt sleeves (sunny & warm for me) - the locals were wearing puffa jackets & scarves as they thought it was cold.
why did he run onto a platform knowing what had happened the day before
Maybe he was going to miss his train ?
and i have seen somewhere that he may have been an illegal immigrant..
the comment was that he would have still been alive today, had he returned to his homeland when he should have done.....
If he was here illegally then going home at the right time would have saved his life for sure !
27 July 2005, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Suresh
This is the paradox.
Some people will object to everything NL does. Damned if they do, damned if they don't, really. Personally, on balance I think they're doing a good, but not great job of running the country.
Suresh
Some people will object to everything NL does. Damned if they do, damned if they don't, really. Personally, on balance I think they're doing a good, but not great job of running the country.
Suresh
27 July 2005, 01:52 PM
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Ha ha ha
Originally Posted by Spring Heeled Jack
Here's another 'paradox'. How come you feel so authorised to judge how well the country is being run when you don't even live here? Personally, on balance I think your opinions carry little if any weight at all.
