New puppy - any recommendations for toilet training?
18 July 2005, 06:27 PM
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New puppy - any recommendations for toilet training?
Got a new Labrador puppy 
This is our 2nd dog, and we've been through the toilet-training aspect successfully before, but I that was 6 years ago. So, what sort of recommendations can you peeps suggest? What's the best way?
Time ain't a problem, as I at home now until September
Dan
Oh yeh, here's a couple of piccies
This is our 2nd dog, and we've been through the toilet-training aspect successfully before, but I that was 6 years ago. So, what sort of recommendations can you peeps suggest? What's the best way?
Time ain't a problem, as I at home now until September
Dan
Oh yeh, here's a couple of piccies
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beautiful pup
the following is an article written by a feller called satn rawlinson, a dog behaviourist-
At birth a new-born puppy is unable to eliminate its own waste - Mum licks the puppies to stimulate elimination and in doing so, cleans up as she goes (the equivalent to nappies on our babies). Around three weeks of age the puppies begin to soil for themselves without the need for stimulation from Mum.
Mum continues to maintain cleanliness in the nesting area. It is instinctive for dogs to avoid soiling their sleeping or eating areas. As the puppies become more physically capable, they will attempt to move away from the nesting area to toilet. This can be further assisted by providing the litter with a different floor surface outside their bedding. The puppies will instinctively seek an absorbent area to toilet, such as grass/soil or carpet.
As the puppies continue to mature, they will attempt to move further away from their own living area. However, like our own toddlers, the puppies will have accidents - Mum will continue to keep the nest clean and will not scold or reprimand a puppy for any mistakes.
Introducing the Puppy to a New Home
If we never interfered with the toileting habits of a puppy living in our home, simply cleaned up without comment, the puppy's instincts would have him clean in your home by adolescence. However, due to a variety of reasons (usually human interference) many puppies' instincts in regard to toilet training become confused.
The following program for hurrying toilet training along, is suitable for all physically sound puppies from eight weeks of age: The puppy cannot possibly understand that your entire house is the pack's living area and should not be fouled - so do not give him/her full access to your home to allow toileting in inappropriate locations.
Restrict the puppy's access by a combination of any of the following means: crate training (see separate information sheet); have the puppy accepting of being placed in a small room such as the laundry or bathroom (where accidents will be easily cleaned up); conditioning the puppy to be on lead; or give the puppy your full and undivided attention. You will need to take the puppy outside, on lead, to the grassy area where you would like him/her to toilet, every 30 minutes to begin with - if he/she obliges, reward with titbits of a favourite food treat, reserved for this occasion and/or a game.
Your aim is to minimise the number of inappropriate elimination and be able to reward toileting in the appropriate location. If the instructions in the above paragraph are followed precisely, the puppy will not have the opportunity to make mistakes and you will be constantly rewarding the correct behaviour.
However, if the puppy does manage to toilet in the wrong location, do not reprimand or show your disapproval in any way. You will not teach the puppy not to toilet in the house, you will simply be teaching him/her not to toilet in your presence - then when you go to the outside toilet spot, puppy will not want to toilet because it will make you angry!
Furthermore, when you return indoors, the puppy will take the first opportunity to find an appropriate spot (your bedroom or the living room - anywhere away from his/her own sleeping and eating areas) to eliminate, when you're not watching!
Watch for the obvious times that your puppy will need to toilet, such as immediately after a meal or a big drink; upon waking up; after a play session; and any other time in between! Ensure that the puppy is in the correct toilet location at these times. If, while watching your puppy in your house, you observe the pre-toileting behaviours such as sniffing, circling, etc. (it will vary from one puppy to the next), rush the puppy to the backdoor, keeping him/her close to floor level so that they can see where they are being taken and how to get to their correct toilet spot.
Thoroughly clean the areas where the puppy has had accidents. The scent of urine or faeces indoors will stimulate a puppy to stop and toilet there. Use this fact to your advantage by collecting up any droppings and placing them in the grassy area where you would like the puppy to toilet - he/she will believe that this area is his/her chosen toilet.
Feeding your puppy indoors and locating water bowls indoors will hasten the understanding that these areas are not suitable for toileting. Take the blame for any mistakes yourself - you were not paying sufficient attention. Remember, your puppy's Mum cleaned up without scolding - attempting to reprimand the puppy for a bodily function will only create anxiety.
The puppy is not suffering from guilt when you walk into the room where the pup has had an accident - he/she simply knows that the presence of a puddle or pile and you in the same room is bad news! Most puppies will be showing a vast improvement by 12 weeks of age, though still having occasional accidents. Toilet training is a natural process and will happen unaided in most instances. However, there will be a wide range of ease or difficulty from one pup to the next.
Try to remain calm and accepting - your stress will be obvious to your puppy and may undermine his/her confidence and trust in you as a consistent, reliable natured leader, capable of taking care of their needs and providing protection.
Urination
If it is a change in your dog's normal behaviour, it might be a bladder infection or some other medical problem, so check that with your vet first. It's also rather common for older spayed bitches to start dribbling. This is easily fixed most of the time with doses of oestrogen. In many cases, the doses can be tapered off after a few months. Some dogs require oestrogen for the rest of their lives. Only small doses are needed, so it's not that expensive to treat. If your dog is urinating in different places around the house, you can try the "vinegar trick". Pour some vinegar on the spot in front of the dog. What you're telling the dog with this is "I'm alpha. YOU may not pee here." Then clean it all up first with biological washing powder and a final wipe over with surgical spirit.
Defecation
Defecation is not usually a problem as much as urination can be. However, the most often recommended remedy for a dog that defecates in the house is to change its feeding times, so that you are likely to be walking the dog when it needs to defecate or it is outside in the garden, etc. This will take some time as you will need to experiment with the amount, frequency, and timing of feeding your dog to get the results you want.
This article was written by Stan Rawlinson, a full time Dog Behaviourist. You can visit his website at www.doglistener.co.uk for more articles and training information. You may freely distribute this article or save to any electronic media as long as it is left intact, including this copyright box.
i can now get my pup to go to toilet on command by saying 'go wee wee' thanks to following this advice
the following is an article written by a feller called satn rawlinson, a dog behaviourist-
At birth a new-born puppy is unable to eliminate its own waste - Mum licks the puppies to stimulate elimination and in doing so, cleans up as she goes (the equivalent to nappies on our babies). Around three weeks of age the puppies begin to soil for themselves without the need for stimulation from Mum.
Mum continues to maintain cleanliness in the nesting area. It is instinctive for dogs to avoid soiling their sleeping or eating areas. As the puppies become more physically capable, they will attempt to move away from the nesting area to toilet. This can be further assisted by providing the litter with a different floor surface outside their bedding. The puppies will instinctively seek an absorbent area to toilet, such as grass/soil or carpet.
As the puppies continue to mature, they will attempt to move further away from their own living area. However, like our own toddlers, the puppies will have accidents - Mum will continue to keep the nest clean and will not scold or reprimand a puppy for any mistakes.
Introducing the Puppy to a New Home
If we never interfered with the toileting habits of a puppy living in our home, simply cleaned up without comment, the puppy's instincts would have him clean in your home by adolescence. However, due to a variety of reasons (usually human interference) many puppies' instincts in regard to toilet training become confused.
The following program for hurrying toilet training along, is suitable for all physically sound puppies from eight weeks of age: The puppy cannot possibly understand that your entire house is the pack's living area and should not be fouled - so do not give him/her full access to your home to allow toileting in inappropriate locations.
Restrict the puppy's access by a combination of any of the following means: crate training (see separate information sheet); have the puppy accepting of being placed in a small room such as the laundry or bathroom (where accidents will be easily cleaned up); conditioning the puppy to be on lead; or give the puppy your full and undivided attention. You will need to take the puppy outside, on lead, to the grassy area where you would like him/her to toilet, every 30 minutes to begin with - if he/she obliges, reward with titbits of a favourite food treat, reserved for this occasion and/or a game.
Your aim is to minimise the number of inappropriate elimination and be able to reward toileting in the appropriate location. If the instructions in the above paragraph are followed precisely, the puppy will not have the opportunity to make mistakes and you will be constantly rewarding the correct behaviour.
However, if the puppy does manage to toilet in the wrong location, do not reprimand or show your disapproval in any way. You will not teach the puppy not to toilet in the house, you will simply be teaching him/her not to toilet in your presence - then when you go to the outside toilet spot, puppy will not want to toilet because it will make you angry!
Furthermore, when you return indoors, the puppy will take the first opportunity to find an appropriate spot (your bedroom or the living room - anywhere away from his/her own sleeping and eating areas) to eliminate, when you're not watching!
Watch for the obvious times that your puppy will need to toilet, such as immediately after a meal or a big drink; upon waking up; after a play session; and any other time in between! Ensure that the puppy is in the correct toilet location at these times. If, while watching your puppy in your house, you observe the pre-toileting behaviours such as sniffing, circling, etc. (it will vary from one puppy to the next), rush the puppy to the backdoor, keeping him/her close to floor level so that they can see where they are being taken and how to get to their correct toilet spot.
Thoroughly clean the areas where the puppy has had accidents. The scent of urine or faeces indoors will stimulate a puppy to stop and toilet there. Use this fact to your advantage by collecting up any droppings and placing them in the grassy area where you would like the puppy to toilet - he/she will believe that this area is his/her chosen toilet.
Feeding your puppy indoors and locating water bowls indoors will hasten the understanding that these areas are not suitable for toileting. Take the blame for any mistakes yourself - you were not paying sufficient attention. Remember, your puppy's Mum cleaned up without scolding - attempting to reprimand the puppy for a bodily function will only create anxiety.
The puppy is not suffering from guilt when you walk into the room where the pup has had an accident - he/she simply knows that the presence of a puddle or pile and you in the same room is bad news! Most puppies will be showing a vast improvement by 12 weeks of age, though still having occasional accidents. Toilet training is a natural process and will happen unaided in most instances. However, there will be a wide range of ease or difficulty from one pup to the next.
Try to remain calm and accepting - your stress will be obvious to your puppy and may undermine his/her confidence and trust in you as a consistent, reliable natured leader, capable of taking care of their needs and providing protection.
Urination
If it is a change in your dog's normal behaviour, it might be a bladder infection or some other medical problem, so check that with your vet first. It's also rather common for older spayed bitches to start dribbling. This is easily fixed most of the time with doses of oestrogen. In many cases, the doses can be tapered off after a few months. Some dogs require oestrogen for the rest of their lives. Only small doses are needed, so it's not that expensive to treat. If your dog is urinating in different places around the house, you can try the "vinegar trick". Pour some vinegar on the spot in front of the dog. What you're telling the dog with this is "I'm alpha. YOU may not pee here." Then clean it all up first with biological washing powder and a final wipe over with surgical spirit.
Defecation
Defecation is not usually a problem as much as urination can be. However, the most often recommended remedy for a dog that defecates in the house is to change its feeding times, so that you are likely to be walking the dog when it needs to defecate or it is outside in the garden, etc. This will take some time as you will need to experiment with the amount, frequency, and timing of feeding your dog to get the results you want.
This article was written by Stan Rawlinson, a full time Dog Behaviourist. You can visit his website at www.doglistener.co.uk for more articles and training information. You may freely distribute this article or save to any electronic media as long as it is left intact, including this copyright box.
i can now get my pup to go to toilet on command by saying 'go wee wee' thanks to following this advice
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Sorry, did'nt have time to read all of the last post but, basically the best solution is to buy a proper dog cage, for your puppy to sleep in, as a puppy will try there hardest not to soil the area they sleep in, it will also be useful if you have to leave him/her unattended for any length of time, and can also be used in the car for safe transportation. Please don't think this is in any way cruel or unfair to keep the puppy in a cage, they soon get used to it, and can be a great place of refuge should you have young children or a house full of guest's, after a time they come to treat it just like a child would a bedroom, just put them in there with a toy for short period's of time to start with (never give them food whilst in the cage, it will start the digestive process going and will prove self defeating) and build the time up in small amount's daily, until you can leave them overnight, you'll be amazed at how quick and effective this method can be, please just remember never shout at or chastize your puppy for any accident's they may have when toilet trainning, after all you would never shout at a small baby for soiling a nappy, also take them to the desired place to relieve themself on a lead then take them straght back indoor's, so they soon learn this is the place to use, and not an area to play in. Phew, i think that's about it, i hope this is of some use to you, good luck and have fun with your new puppy.
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We all ways use to encourage ours by saying go and be good, and it worked out teriffic, that was also the advice of the breeder too.
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A lot depends on if you plan to crate your puppy or not. If not then you need to be vigilant. Watch the dog and be prepared to take it outside hourly.
Get "The Perfect Puppy" by Gwen Bailey, it covers a variety of training methods. Our Rough Collie got the hang of it all in a week and soon lets you know if he wants to go out.
Get "The Perfect Puppy" by Gwen Bailey, it covers a variety of training methods. Our Rough Collie got the hang of it all in a week and soon lets you know if he wants to go out.
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Update:-
He ain't doing too bad By the by, he makes it either outside or onto the puppy training pad. When he doesn't, thank god for dyson and vax
just waiting for next jab, so we can take him out and train him properly (with a platstic bag in tow of course!)
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He ain't doing too bad
By the by, he makes it either outside or onto the puppy training pad. When he doesn't, thank god for dyson and vax just waiting for next jab, so we can take him out and train him properly
(with a platstic bag in tow of course!)Dan
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Since this your second dog it shouldn't be a problem as the first dog will teach the second dog what to do and how to be a dog, thats what my daughter says anyway. She used to think that my older dog told my sister's younger dog what to do.
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27 July 2005, 02:59 PM
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We practically lived in the kitchen when ours was a pup and the minute he started we rused him outside. They soon get the idea!
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Originally Posted by shaunywrx
Sorry, did'nt have time to read all of the last post but, basically the best solution is to buy a proper dog cage, for your puppy to sleep in, as a puppy will try there hardest not to soil the area they sleep in, it will also be useful if you have to leave him/her unattended for any length of time, and can also be used in the car for safe transportation. Please don't think this is in any way cruel or unfair to keep the puppy in a cage, they soon get used to it, and can be a great place of refuge should you have young children or a house full of guest's, after a time they come to treat it just like a child would a bedroom, just put them in there with a toy for short period's of time to start with (never give them food whilst in the cage, it will start the digestive process going and will prove self defeating) and build the time up in small amount's daily, until you can leave them overnight, you'll be amazed at how quick and effective this method can be, please just remember never shout at or chastize your puppy for any accident's they may have when toilet trainning, after all you would never shout at a small baby for soiling a nappy, also take them to the desired place to relieve themself on a lead then take them straght back indoor's, so they soon learn this is the place to use, and not an area to play in. Phew, i think that's about it, i hope this is of some use to you, good luck and have fun with your new puppy.
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