boomer

Just a couple of hundred to go...

Are you with us?

http://www.pledgebank.com/refuse/

mb

Aaron C. Reskew

I have nothing to hide so why should I fear having an ID card?
Oh hang on I get it YOU want me to pay for your fight

KiwiGTI

There are only 3 types of people opposed to ID cards.

Paedophiles
Terrorists
Benefit Fraudsters

GC8

Rubbish.

warrenm2

At best a £300 bill? Resources diverted away from tradiitonal crime fighting? No problems actually solved by this? EASIER to steal an identity? Selling off confidential information to marketing organisations? Being fingerprinted like a criminal in order to live in your own country? The inevitable IT **** up that then denies you basic services that you were perfectly able to use before? The inconvenience of "I vant to zee your papers"? etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

bigsinky

million pound money making scam. 10000 ppls to pledge a tenner to pay legal fee yeah right. banked in some off shore bank account in the caymans and probably living in some non extradition country. call me cynical, but i will take the ID card thanks.

Jap2Scrap

PMSL

Never heard so much crap in my life!

What about:

People who perceive it as an erosion of their already tenuous grip on freedom.
People concerned with this government's track record on budgeting large projects.
People concerned that although it might make identity theft more difficult a forged ID will give the holder access to much more than a £3000 credit card limit.

Think about it man there are as many reasons to be cautious as there are to blindly follow the government's spin.

The Zohan

Well said warrenm2

ID cards are not the answer!

DaveMiddleton

Cannot understand all the resentment to ID cards if you live by the law.
Really p****s me off more than anything this atttitude when the country is being hit by all sorts of events which MAY be helped by everyone being on record.
I think everyone should give DNA so that it helps catch criminals easier.
Bring on ID cards and anything else that helps.

Alan C

Jury's out on ID cards until I see the detail but I do agree with every person giving a DNA sample..

The Police currently take a swab when you're arrested.. but this should be extended to everyone. You enter the country? You give a sample.
The amount of crime that could be wrapped up so much quicker.. Not just International terrorism (DNA profile given to other countries), but national crimes such as rape..

Angry

I have nothing to hide except my private life, which as a freeeborn englishman I have the right to do.

Read up on the future uses/implications of the cards and also the location of the database. May open your eyes a little.

Any of the Pro group on here read the Bill?? In contravenes the original bill of rights in a number of places apparently...

warrenm2

This is rubbish as most rape cases focus on consent rather than who had sex

rik1471

Which one do the Lib Dem's fit into?

Vegescoob

I agree with the idea that all should give DNA samples.
With this caveat though.
There should be two databases. The State administered one and another, funded equally to the State one but controlled by an independent board.
This board should have members from organisations such as The Consumers Association and Liberty.
Then DNA evidence would have to be corroborated by the two databases to have validity.

Jap2Scrap

Vegescoob for PM

+Doc+

If the system is water tight , corruption free and maybe cheaper when/if brought into force then I`m all for it.
Big Brother is watching and I particularly dont care what he sees I have nothing to hide.

GC8

Are you having a laugh? Would you seriously support the unbelievable fascist crap that you propose here?

Angry

Put the money into policing, split between normal and traffic.

mart360

groan..

another wasted attempt at making changes.....

when will people learn that petitions or online chain forms are useless..

If you genuinely want to get the message accross, you need to do it correctly.

All the above do is give 1 yes 1 signature identifying dissent or concern.

the system looks at the first signature and then stops..

the way to make the system take note is one signature per form...

at present this form has one signature

but 10,000 forms with 1 signature is a very clear 10,000 people are concerned, and the system can see it.



Mart

Vegescoob

Yes and I don't believe it's fascist.
You do. That's fine.
I'll explain my view.
You will see from other posts of mine that I am utterly opposed to ID cards.
I do think that DNA being taken solely for use in crime detection is justified.
Only with the proviso I have suggested.

unclebuck

Which of course will eventually be the government's official policy.

It's so obvious where this is leading, I can't believe that anyone could support it.

Alan C

I did say 'such as', which means there's a whole host of other crimes (if not EVERY serious Crime?) where DNA profiling could be used effectively to Identify the perpetrator very quickly.

Angry

So let the police take DNA off everyone, I dont see why you need an ID card to hold a database of the DNA of everyone in the country...?

GC8

I see the possible benefits, of course I do; but they do not justify the loss of freedom.

Simon

Abdabz

Tee Hee Hee Heeeeee. Absolute 8ollocks.

I am completely opposed (but am none of the above) as I believe they serve absolutely no benefit and will cost me money...
I know the government could probably find out where I shop from my bank statements and can triangulate my position on my GSM handset so human rights infringements are of no concern to me. Everytime I leave the house I'm on cctv too...

I just point blank refuse to pay extra cash for something that will just gather dust in my infrquently opened wallet and as was proved a week ago today do sweet FA when it comes to counter terrorism...

GC8

But where does this end? Perhaps with an implanted chip so that you can scan me (or even track me...) like my neighbours dog? Thatll bring a swift end to crime as we will soon know whos responsible when we refer to the tracking records...... The principal that you all (in favour) seem to be ignorant of, is that you cant justify the loss of freedom and privacy for a potential short term benefit. Thats the difference between being a free subject and living in a 'police state'.

Simon

Alan C

How is a DNA sample a loss of freedom? It's a small non-monetary price to pay for helping stop crime.

Your sample will be scanned in a milisecond as the database searches for a match amongst billions of records. No loss of freedom there. as it doesn't give a stuff where you are or what your doing in your normal daily life.. going about your business....

But how many would-be criminals will be put off by the fact that their crime scene will forensically examined?

If it saved one life (maybe a member of someone on here?), then that's good enough for me..

You don't need an ID Card for that..