Concorde successor
Concorde successor
15 June 2005, 04:01 PM
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Once bitten twice shy for the UK govt i reckon which is a shame if the project is for real and will lead to a next gen SST 
The amount they talk about investing in research is peanuts, i can't think this is a serious effort tbh.
Unless you can stop or seriously negate the sonic boom then the project is a non-starter anyway.
The amount they talk about investing in research is peanuts, i can't think this is a serious effort tbh.
Unless you can stop or seriously negate the sonic boom then the project is a non-starter anyway.
15 June 2005, 04:05 PM
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Think 300 passengers might be optimistic. IIRC the passenger level on Concorde was very low.
Theres a program on one of the documentary channels about "Planes that never flew" and there is one about a very big super-sonic boeing aircraft. They got all but to the building of the real thing and decided it wouldn't work. The 747 was designed for haulage initially then some bright spark decided the fill it full of seats and save boeing.
Plus, Concorde never sold becuase almost instantly got banned from most airports for being too loud and the sonic boom upsetting cows or summat!!!
The Dreamliner I thought was a smidgen under sub-sonic. From the little knowledge I have of aircraft industry, bigger would appear to be better although not much faster - bums on seats etc.
Theres a program on one of the documentary channels about "Planes that never flew" and there is one about a very big super-sonic boeing aircraft. They got all but to the building of the real thing and decided it wouldn't work. The 747 was designed for haulage initially then some bright spark decided the fill it full of seats and save boeing.
Plus, Concorde never sold becuase almost instantly got banned from most airports for being too loud and the sonic boom upsetting cows or summat!!!
The Dreamliner I thought was a smidgen under sub-sonic. From the little knowledge I have of aircraft industry, bigger would appear to be better although not much faster - bums on seats etc.
15 June 2005, 04:11 PM
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Boeing were going to build a delta winged sonic cruiser that would fly at about M.095 and so cut journey times by an hour or so accross the USA or Atlantic but in the end canned the project to concentrate on the Dreamliner which is all based around economy not speed.
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15 June 2005, 04:15 PM
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I got the impression that they're falling between two stools.
They want enough seats to make it commercially viable, yet it only cuts the journey time by what, 20%?
If they don't watch out they'll make it too big to be quick, which will make it Just Another Jet. Certainly won't be son of Concorde, it'll be second cousin thrice removed. The advantage is that they're developing a fairly quick replacement to the 737 for the 21st century, but that's about it.
They want enough seats to make it commercially viable, yet it only cuts the journey time by what, 20%?
If they don't watch out they'll make it too big to be quick, which will make it Just Another Jet. Certainly won't be son of Concorde, it'll be second cousin thrice removed. The advantage is that they're developing a fairly quick replacement to the 737 for the 21st century, but that's about it.
15 June 2005, 05:24 PM
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I had to re-read that report because I thought I got it wrong "split an investment of $1.84m (£1.01m) a year for 3 years" hmmm lets build a new supersonic plane with a £3 million R&D budget I mean come on, need to add a few noughts onto that surely!!!
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15 June 2005, 06:49 PM
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what the f*ck will £1million buy you in R&D terms on this scale??
a chairman, a director of research and a japaneses/french translators salary maybe???
a chairman, a director of research and a japaneses/french translators salary maybe???
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15 June 2005, 10:45 PM
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Interesting piece. My take on this though is that if they want any new supersonic plane to succeed then its just got to have a flat four engine in it, running a modified dump valve, panel filter and exhaust, and some kind of JDM domestic flight map.
Good for 10K bhp at least!
Good for 10K bhp at least!
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