New dictionary entries - what a joke
09 June 2005, 12:07 PM
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New dictionary entries - what a joke
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...367114,00.html
Those new entries just about sum up Britain currently
Those new entries just about sum up Britain currently
09 June 2005, 12:10 PM
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That's absolutely shocking. "Badmash", "bouncebackability" and "Haramzada"
I think I shall make sure my daughters only have dictionaries that are several years old.
Steve.
That's absolutely shocking. "Badmash", "bouncebackability" and "Haramzada"
I think I shall make sure my daughters only have dictionaries that are several years old.
Steve.
09 June 2005, 01:35 PM
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It isnt good news for the language but young kids will hear these words wherever they are, so it is important to be able to apply meaning to them from a single source, whether its right or not.
09 June 2005, 02:19 PM
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the chav word ***** me off the most, its such a stupid word middle-aged people have jumped on to call young people. now if your under 30, your a chav.
how about if your over 30 your a cu*t
how about if your over 30 your a cu*t
09 June 2005, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by paul-s
the chav word ***** me off the most, its such a stupid word middle-aged people have jumped on to call young people. now if your under 30, your a chav.
how about if your over 30 your a cu*t
how about if your over 30 your a cu*t
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09 June 2005, 02:47 PM
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Methinks that a fair few on this site qualify for Brand **** status with regards to buying Subaru branded merchandise.
Paul - I'm 31 and so qualify as an "old" person
I'd not call everyone under 30 a chav, only the usual suspects, eg; the 80's style shell suited scum bags, usually found frequenting Lakeside shopping center. Burberry, more gold chains than MR T, and a girl whose looks would make a pot bellied pig seem very attractive.
If you're over 30 and you're wearing Burberry then you're either a snob whose never noticed the *******isation of the brand, or you're a sad **** whose trying to be "trendy" but failing badly.
As for the "Hinglish" entries. Hmm, not sure I agree with them being entered, it's not as though they are in common use and not as if they are english words, but words from the tongue of a group of people taking over the UK.
Paul - I'm 31 and so qualify as an "old" person
I'd not call everyone under 30 a chav, only the usual suspects, eg; the 80's style shell suited scum bags, usually found frequenting Lakeside shopping center. Burberry, more gold chains than MR T, and a girl whose looks would make a pot bellied pig seem very attractive.If you're over 30 and you're wearing Burberry then you're either a snob whose never noticed the *******isation of the brand, or you're a sad **** whose trying to be "trendy" but failing badly.
As for the "Hinglish" entries. Hmm, not sure I agree with them being entered, it's not as though they are in common use and not as if they are english words, but words from the tongue of a group of people taking over the UK.
10 June 2005, 10:51 AM
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So you think putting Asian slang into the dictionary is a good thing?
10 June 2005, 11:00 AM
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Did you miss the point at all? I am talking about slang words There is no place for Asian slang words in a British dictionary. I really don't think words such as Haramzada are a valid entry - fine put it in an Asian dictionary if you want but not a British (ENGLISH language) dictionary.
There is no place for Asian slang words in a British dictionary. I really don't think words such as Haramzada are a valid entry - fine put it in an Asian dictionary if you want but not a British (ENGLISH language) dictionary.
10 June 2005, 01:30 PM
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I'm not sure he missed the point. There are French, German, Indian, Latin, Greek etc slang words in the english dictionary.
I'm sure boyakasha will be in soon
I'm sure boyakasha will be in soon
10 June 2005, 01:45 PM
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TBH, there's loads. Ask an english expert as to which ones and their origins. safe bet that most of use use a few every day of the week without realising.
We can all debate whether or not a word should be included, some with good reason, but we can't base it on 'not having foreign words' in the dictionary given that nearly the entire dictionary contains words of foreign origin.
So apart from it being 'asian', what's your problem with 'Haramzada'?
Personally I'd argue that it's not in common enough usage to be included but if there are enough people using it in this country then so be it. Or am I talking crap (latin/german word btw).
We can all debate whether or not a word should be included, some with good reason, but we can't base it on 'not having foreign words' in the dictionary given that nearly the entire dictionary contains words of foreign origin.
So apart from it being 'asian', what's your problem with 'Haramzada'?
Personally I'd argue that it's not in common enough usage to be included but if there are enough people using it in this country then so be it. Or am I talking crap (latin/german word btw).
10 June 2005, 01:48 PM
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OK but don't you think thats a bit different in thats slang for an every day item used by everyone across the country?
As opposed to:
Haramzada - "a male born of unmarried parents or an obnoxious or despicable male"
where we already have a much more easily pronounced word for this which is hardly going to be replaced by the above (unless your asian of course ) I can't see any non Asian person using the word Haramzada instead of the word bast4rd can you?
As opposed to:
Haramzada - "a male born of unmarried parents or an obnoxious or despicable male"
where we already have a much more easily pronounced word for this which is hardly going to be replaced by the above (unless your asian of course
) I can't see any non Asian person using the word Haramzada instead of the word bast4rd can you?
10 June 2005, 02:04 PM
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Why use to$$er when we have w4nker? No harm having more words to describe the same thing. I do admit that Haramzada is not a word I've ever heard before and believe it needs more common usage to get into the dictionary (such as chav).
At the end of the day, what harm is being done to us? none really. people will still use words whether they're in the dictionary or not.
At the end of the day, what harm is being done to us? none really. people will still use words whether they're in the dictionary or not.
10 June 2005, 02:06 PM
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Disappointed by some of the attitudes here (as I am too often)
So we should remove words such as Bungalow, Ginger and Pyjamas from the English Dictionary should we? (And from the minds of our children??)
Yes the Country has really been 'taken over' since those words were put in the dictionary.
Asif
So we should remove words such as Bungalow, Ginger and Pyjamas from the English Dictionary should we? (And from the minds of our children??)
Yes the Country has really been 'taken over' since those words were put in the dictionary.
Asif
10 June 2005, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
Disappointed by some of the attitudes here (as I am too often)
So we should remove words such as Bungalow, Ginger and Pyjamas from the English Dictionary should we? (And from the minds of our children??)
Yes the Country has really been 'taken over' since those words were put in the dictionary.
Asif
So we should remove words such as Bungalow, Ginger and Pyjamas from the English Dictionary should we? (And from the minds of our children??)
Yes the Country has really been 'taken over' since those words were put in the dictionary.
Asif
One of the great ironies of Scoobynet is the number of people who bang on about the erosion of 'our heritage' without realising that this same refrain has been echoing for many hundreds, if not thousands of years. Furthermore, the 'Britishness' that they hold so dear would be virtually unrecognisable to a Briton from 50 years earlier. Listen to newsreaders from the 1930s, and both the pronunciation and the grammar are very different from now.
Face it, we live in a changing world. This shouldn't scare you. Words enter common parlance; some stay, some fade away. As an example, Thomas Crapper has gifted his name to the language, and a century on "having a crap" is still a common expression. On the other hand, the word "naff" appeared in the 1960s, flourised in the 1970s and had virtually disappeared by the 1980s.
Not sure whether these words should be in a dictionary, mind you, but if a dictionary is there to record the language as it is being used at that particular time, then why not?
10 June 2005, 04:57 PM
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Did you miss the point at all? I am talking about slang words There is no place for Asian slang words in a British dictionary. I really don't think words such as Haramzada are a valid entry - fine put it in an Asian dictionary if you want but not a British (ENGLISH language) dictionary.
There is no place for Asian slang words in a British dictionary. I really don't think words such as Haramzada are a valid entry - fine put it in an Asian dictionary if you want but not a British (ENGLISH language) dictionary."Galactico"? Doesn't sound english/british to me....
11 June 2005, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by fatherpierre
Haramzada??? Never heard it before. Hardly a word that trips off the tongue.
More words are no big sshakes in my book {LOL
}The future of the language is fine my comerades (fr. Rus) and cadres (fr. Fr) and my car loving posse (fr. Latin). NOTHING is more stalwart (fr. middle english!!!!) than the English language (which is 35% Greek!!!)
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