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Old 08 March 2005, 02:38 PM
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This item comes with a warning. It is legally fascinating and full of human emotion but not without its distasteful elements. It's about a new way of becoming a father, US-style. Here it is. Two doctors in Illinois have oral sex. Afterwards, Dr Sharon Irons, without telling Dr Richard Phillips, keeps the semen she took in orally and uses it to get pregnant. Two years later she brings a paternity suit against the unwitting sap, and wins a court order that he's the father; he now has to pay $800 a month upkeep for the child. (At least Bill Clinton escaped that.)

Phillips, understandably miffed at having to support the kid without even the pleasure of having been laid, returned to court with a wheeze of his own - accusing Irons of stealing his sperm and of causing him emotional distress, for which he demanded compensation. Her secret keeping of the semen was, Phillips said, a "calculated, profound personal betrayal"; he had trouble eating and sleeping and had "feelings of being trapped in a nightmare". His case was based on the premise that she had "deceitfully engaged in sexual acts, which no reasonable person would expect could result in pregnancy, to use the plaintiff's sperm in an unorthodox, unanticipated manner yielding extreme consequences".

Last week, an Illinois appeal court turned down his accusation of theft on her part and agreed with Irons's argument that, when he "delivered" his sperm to her, "it was a gift, an absolute and irrevocable transfer of title to property from a donor to a donee. There was no agreement that the original deposit [sic] would be returned upon request." (Is that "gift" tax-deductible, I wonder?) But the court did give him the go-ahead to pursue his claim for emotional distress.


From today's Grauniad.
Old 08 March 2005, 02:46 PM
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lmfao, the world is 1 twisted place... and usually its the twisted ones that come off better in this life eh...
Old 08 March 2005, 02:51 PM
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"..accusation of theft..." I'd be LMAO if it wasn't quite so scary
Old 08 March 2005, 03:03 PM
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Afterwards, [she] keeps the semen she took in orally and uses it to get pregnant
Uhm.....how? It's all very well spitting it into a suitable receptacle, but doesn't it have to be kept at the right temperature? She'd have to act fairly fast given that sperm don't last that long....

Unless of course she ran to the bathroom, spat, inserted and came back out again...


Bizarre.....
Old 08 March 2005, 03:14 PM
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Mice - trust her, she's a doctor
Old 08 March 2005, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Brendan Hughes
Mice - trust her, she's a doctor
Trust her? After this? You have to be joking?
Old 08 March 2005, 03:40 PM
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Plentiful acess to syringes too

The story is so bizarre it probably is true

Something I should bear in mind in future
Old 08 March 2005, 03:51 PM
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I've also heard of a case whereby the woman kept a full condom, discarded in the bathroom by the bloke, and used that to get pregnant. He also was successfully pursued for money.

Maybe guys need to perform more DIY before sex with a woman, of any sort, to dilute the sample.
Old 08 March 2005, 03:53 PM
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And this is why you should always insist she swallows!
Old 08 March 2005, 03:54 PM
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The sooner there's a sensible pill available for men the better.
Old 08 March 2005, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ajm
And this is why you should always insist she swallows!
Old 08 March 2005, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ajm
And this is why you should always insist she swallows!
Mmm, not quite so easy if you've just had intercourse with a condom...
Old 08 March 2005, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Jerome
Mmm, not quite so easy if you've just had intercourse with a condom...
Come now, you must have seen some of "those" movies!
Old 08 March 2005, 04:30 PM
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Another show of how strange some americans are, and that lawyers will persue anything for money. Totally shocking.
Old 08 March 2005, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Come now, you must have seen some of "those" movies!
I have, but I'm unlikely to end up in bed with one of "those" women!
Old 08 March 2005, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Jerome
I have, but I'm unlikely to end up in bed with one of "those" women!
Have you no aspirations man??
Old 08 March 2005, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Have you no aspirations man??
I've tried, honest. I just seem to get the respectable leftovers...
Old 08 March 2005, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Jerome
I've tried, honest. I just seem to get the respectable leftovers...
LOL
Old 08 March 2005, 05:38 PM
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Hello

When I was younger, I always used to take the condom home with me for the very reasons mentioned above. Perhaps I wasn't so paranoid after all!

Steve.
Old 08 March 2005, 05:47 PM
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That's it!

Next time I'm seduced by an American lawyer* I shall insist on giving her a pearl necklace and that she reverts with a soapy tit w**k. That should wash all liabilities down the plughole.

* lawyers permitted:

Amanda Donohoe
Portia de Rossi (and her scissor sister)
The black judge from Ally McBeal
Ally herself after a few burgers
Old 08 March 2005, 06:06 PM
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when he "delivered" his sperm to her, "it was a gift, an absolute and irrevocable transfer of title to property from a donor to a donee. There was no agreement that the original deposit [sic] would be returned upon request."
FPMSL
Old 08 March 2005, 06:48 PM
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Isnt this how Boris Becker became a father in the cupboard incident..?
Old 09 March 2005, 01:11 PM
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We need some kind of discalimer absolving us of all responsibility of the swimmers once they have left our bodies!

Make the ho sign it before doing her the favour.
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