PIXIEDUST

Three weeks ago my husband went to work as usual worked his morning then went to lunch on return two seperate people approached him and told him X was looking for him as they are making him redundant,unfortunatley this was the case and was asked if he would like to leave there and then,my husband left {obviously head shot}.Two days later he attended a meeting (he was told he could have no representation)he was verbally told that the decision was based on the fact that he was one of the highest wage earners there so it was a cost cutting measure but he was'nt given the choice of taking awage cut or relocating to their other factory,when he returned home the head of H.R.phoned him and told him to apply to another company as they are looking for people there.the following week he was called for his 2nd consultation this time he took his union with him who actually tied them in knots and told them that they have practically broken every empoyment law in the book and that they have done my husband no favours with the redundancy package and this is what we want or face a tribunal(which would cost them a lot more)now they say that they will deceide if he has lost his job or if they'llpay what he wants,and basically we still have'nt had no written conformation i dont know where the next wage will be payed or the real killer if the kids get what they want for xmas.any suggestion

johnfelstead

yeh, take a breath.

The union guy should fill you in on all your options. If he/she doesnt then go see the CAB.

tiggers

Sounds to me like they have broken a lot of the rules regarding redundancy - in fact the situation sounds almost implausible.

If there is a union involved they should be able to help you, if not then get some proper legal advice from a specialist in employment law.

One thing I would recommend is write everything that has happened down now while it is fresh in the mind. Include dates, times, names and as much detail as you can come up with as it may prove invaluable later.

Best of luck,

tiggers.

pslewis

Employment Solicitor is your next stop

The fees will be claimed back and you should get what you are owed

In the meantime - try to not let the kids see the worry and the best Xmas's are those with all the family together (the cost of presents is rarely thought of fondly in later years)

I hope it all works out for you!

Pete

16vmarc

Cant believe they they said he could have no representation

PIXIEDUST

Normally I'd come out fighting but my dad died suddenley (no illness still working )a few months ago and this was witnessed by the children so just wanted to make this special for them.As far as the union buisness I know they'll sort it out but like most women I can't wait that long.

hades

Never ceases to amaze me how many people, particularly in some small-medium companies, have no clue about employment law. The sad thing is you don't need to be an expert, you just need to know when to ask for advice.

Meetings with no written record and no option of representation can't count as anything formal. The fact that most of the rest of the company knew before him is in itself probably enough grounds for a tribunal. Thought crosses my mind that
(a) he should apply for the other company - it doesn't strike me that his present place is a good company to work for even if they decide to keep him, and
(b) if the existing company decides they aren't going to let him go, there's easily grounds there for "constructive dismissal".
Union / employment solicitors / CAB for detailed advice has to be explored,

PIXIEDUST

just remembered something else when the union have been trying to contact the said company no one will return the call so friday I thought I 'd give them a ring the factory was closed it then dawned on methat it was their all exspenses payed xmas doo the night before.

Leslie

Sounds like the managers are getting above themselves and trying to prove how efficiently ruthless thay can be. Load of macho posturing again.

Hope it all sorts out for the best and that Christmas will be a good one.

Les

GC8

Bloody Hell! A rare moment of lucidity for Mr Lewis!

Much as I hate to concede this; I agree with what Pete said wholeheartedly.

Simon

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Just be glad he was in a union, generally you dont need one but when you do alll those subs are worth it, I am on very good terms with my employer but I like to know I can have some asistance if I need it, they seem to thrive on making management jump through hoops because they havent got a clue regarding employment law.

If it were me I would make sure they get taken for a few quid but I would never want to go back there, sounds like a bunch of w4nkers.


I have also seen the unions protect somebody who didnt warrant the consideration, i.e. the employer was in the right but its amazing how they do it.

Good Luck, dont worry about the kids/present things, I have been there and with a bit of imagination you can still have a nice time, Christmas and the enjoyment thereof is not directly related to how much you spend, it is so easy to get caught up in the must spend mentallity, you see famillies with two trolleys in Tescos spending 500 quid on food, most of which wont get eaten.

Dave T-S

Au contraire, the Wayne and Waynetta slob lookalikes will have probably munched their way through that lot by Christmas eve and back for more

fast bloke

pixiedust - I got made redundant a couple of years ago, same reason - was getting paid too much - I found out three days before i was due to go on holidays - we decided to go anyway - I spent the entire time stressing about it, but trying to hide it from tne kids. Wife spent the entire time crying, but trying to hide ot from the kids. Within 6 months I was in a job that I liked more and earned more. Now I wouldn't go back if you cut my ********* off with a rusty breadknife to convince me.

Enjoy christmas, you can have fun without going daft. Remember that the christmases you have with your kids are limited. Tell your hubby to get his *** out there and start touting for a better job - the union can handle the old company - does he really want to go back and work for them now?

Alas

Same as fast bloke. Happened to me 4 years ago when company was cutting back and two of us were told we had to go as paid too much. The company have'nt got a leg to stand on as no consultation, no options investigated as in another position etc.
Does'nt help you for Xmas but I went in to them with what I wanted or see the MD in court. Suffice to say I got what I wanted and am happier now than ever.
As said before no need to spend lots to make a happy Xmas but understand its difficult to know how much you'll have/spend etc. Just don't borrow & get in the sh*t as if lawyers get involved it may take a while for any cash to come.
Sorry
Alas

harvey

iTrader: (48)

Sorry to say but it sounds like your husband was working for amateurs where employment matters are concerned at least.. That could well work to your advantage in the long run. The fact that others were able to tell him what was happening before he was told officially and the way he appears to have been treated since, bears this out.

Three things need to happen now. These are already referred to above.

1) A clear and concise written account in datal order with relevant events to the present time. Keep it up to date. Log all contact, meetings, what is said, phone calls, letters etc. Where possible get corroberation.
2) You need the best possible advice and then somebody has to fight your husband's corner. Choosing the right person is the key to the best possible result and a less stressful passage. However this will be a stressful time for you both.
Free advice is available from the CAB as John as already advised. They may suggest an employment law solicitor that is a specialist in that area. Some solicitors are prepared to work on a conditional fee basis, ie no win no fee and you do not have to worry about up front payments. How competant is your husband's union at sorting out this sort of situation. What is their track record. Do they have specialists for this type of situation? Can they handle it or do you need a specialist solicitor?
When you have decided on who is to handle the matter and this is a crucial decision, you need to give them free reign and it is they who will contact your husband's former employer or advise him if they want him to do that and what to say.
3) Your husband has had a big knock but he now needs to find alternative employment even if it is a stop gap or stepping stone to something else.

I know this is a worrying time for you and your husband needs your full support but you trying to contact the company may not be constructive. It could muddy the waters and it is your husband who was employed not you so they have no duty to discuss anything with you. Sorry. I know you are worried but that is how it is.

Good luck. I hope that in a few months you have triumphed over this adversity and you can look back and think that your husband's former employers actually did you a favour and spurred you both on to better things.

PIXIEDUST

HE is already looking for jobs and had an interview we have'nt heard from them yet but it's really difficult when the old emplyer will not even give him his p45 .

Drunken Bungle Whore

I'm with the others - you should be able to take them for a sizable amount at a tribunal if they don't sort everything out pronto!

I also 'got made redundant' - I started with a company who went bankrupt 4 weeks later! (and to put it mildly my personal life was a huge pile of cr@p at the same time!) I ended up getting a much better (in fun terms not money) job! (And the most wonderful, sexy and gorgeous hubby too)Loads happier!

Go back to what chrissy is all about - I've had to tighten my belt this chrissy and it's made me appreciate people much more cos I've had to think about them and what they'd really like and appreciate, rather than just qhizz around the shops with the credit card. I know it's going to be so much more special because of that

Jay_bee

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PIXIEDUST...

Sorry to hear about that. I've had something similar done to me, I was asked to leave there and then... i actually thought I was having a pay rise too!!!

Anyway, if your husband has a cv, he/you can email it to me as per my profile and I'll pass it on to one of my consultants to have a look at if you like (i have recruitment consultancy) so Id be happy to help

J

richie,7,RA,spec C

thanks all for the advice.

just got myself a new job
more money better enviroment

oh yes and the wife is very happy

merry christmass everyone

mj

good man, employment law is a nightmare. We have to consult before making any grievances or reduncancies, it is bad practice IMO to lay good lads off due to short term finances - my boss has had all sorts of work done at his house to keep the lads busy.

We have to consult before making any decisions, sounds like your employer didn't, or if they did they took very bad advice.

oh well, sounds like it worked out

Spoon

That saved you having to even consider selling the RA so the kids could have their Christmas you so wanted them to have.

Vegescoob

I love happy endings. Wipes tear from eye.

richie,7,RA,spec C

chears
yep they took advice off someone who had it in for me big time,but every dog has it's day
you've here'd the saying t/ts up well that's where they'r going
and this guy cannot run any of the m/c's hahaha to%%er

richie,7,RA,spec C

yes if i had to sell the spec c it would have been like taking my heart out with a spoon.
it's my little release if you know what i mean.
used to do motor cross for 15yr so i've got what we call a little need for the fast things in life.
but need to go to work on a monday morning and function so the old bikes are out the window and i need to have a family car to do practical things in so that why this is my 2nd scoob the 1st one i had for nearly 6yr and i loved it so it had to be another with a few more horses unde the bonnet
richie