Regacy

06:57am 59mph in a 50 on the A505 so I’m dealing with Bedfordshire.

One question.
Does the ‘forgetting to sign it’ ploy still work or has the loop hole been closed?
Any other old wives tales about how you can get off the points welcome.

It was a clear road.
Visibility was perfect
It was before 7 in the morning
I was breaking the law

But the law (on this particular occasion) stinks!

All help gratefully received.
R

milo

did they send u evidence (i.e. a photo) yet?

Regacy

No just declaration form to fill out and send back

milo

well i know if i was getting busted for a crime, i'd sure like to see what evidence they have first

Spoon

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Oh, I thought you had said you wanted a lecture.

Turbohot

Just sign it and pay the fine asap Regacy.No point delaying it.If you know it was you,just sign it and post it back.If you ask for photographic evidence etc and try to linger it on,they will do you for lingering it on ! They gave me certain time after sending me the photographic evidence.I was a day late to respond to them.They sent me f*cking summons and fined me 130 quid for doing 38 in 30.
My patner has been through the similar thing.If you are sure you were driving, sign the ****** and send it back asap.You will be done with 3 points +60 quid.If you linger it on and delay, they put your offence under one-up serious section(unable to co-operate and provide info at right time) + can charge you more fine+give you points anyway.Going under one-up serious section cost my partner not just 90 quid+3 points, but also he cant hire a car from a hire company for next three years !

Spoon

Ask for everything you are entitled to but just don't be a day late in responding if everything is in order.

Don't just accept it, make them do all the work they are required to do seeing as it's so easy to actually catch you in the first place.

Turbohot

forgetting to sign it or keep using this technique again and posting it back n forth was tested by us too.It will come under that "unable to co-operate..." thingy and you will get done for more serious offence.Had been there, so I know it !

Spoon

Turbohot- You missed the deadline therefore you failed to comply unfortunately.

Regacy- You don't need to mess about to-ing and fro-ing but ask for everything you are entitled to.

Turbohot

>Turbohot- You missed the deadline therefore you failed to comply unfortunately.

Regacy- You don't need to mess about to-ing and fro-ing but ask for everything you are entitled to.

Yes Spoon you are right but Reg will still be "entitled" to the points and fine even if he doent miss the deadline.Thats all I m saying man

Spoon

Turbs- Not if they have no photo to send him he won't and it's just possible they haven't because it has been lost or used to jot down the local Chinese takeaway's phone number.

Dazza01

Loop hole has now been closed on the "forgetting to sign it bit"

If u received the NIP within the time limit ie 14 days, fill the NIP in sign it and send it back, u won't win, u could delay it by a few weeks if u ask for a piccy but that's bout it m8 sorry

i only won my case cos it took them 38 days to send it too me plus they never sent a photo.

I you don't sign it u will be charged with "FAILING TO FURNISH" which carries max £1000 fine plus upto 6 points

Spoon

Daz- Sorry to point out your own contradiction.

It can and does happen.

It's really up to you Regacy.

Dazza01

What i meant was, my case was helped due to the fact i didn't know who was driving due to the length of time it took them to send the NIP to me, if u get it within the normal time, upto 14 days but usually 3 to 5 days after the offence, its fair to say that u would remember who was driving.

r32

You broke the law, and you were caught red handed. Pay up and get a road angel or similar. Then join the http://www.abd.org.uk/

There is no way you will wriggle out of it. But check the websites, Pepipoo and safespeed. (http://www.safespeed.org.uk/index.html)(http://www.pepipoo.com/)
Sorry dont know how to do a link. But these will help......

Looks like the link is automatic, but theres plenty of good advice on these.

hedgehog

It is untrue that there is no way out, it is not unusual to encounter people who have fought the law and won.

However, the unsigned situation was resolved in favour of the scamers some time back and while there are still ways to win on it they are complex and largely depend on luck.

However, the assertion that the EU court has already decided on the legality of the NIP will be tested in court on 9th August. Now, that is probably too late for you as you need to return in 28 days but there is a very nice letter over on pepipoo that you could send them. For people getting an NIP in the next month then it would be worth holding off returning it at least until after 9th Aug. It is possible that after that date anyone done on an NIP will be able to become part of a class action to claim back fines, expenses etc. and the NIP will become illegal.

At the very least you should demand disclosure of all their evidence, including ALL photos and/or video. It is not uncommon for this evidence to be refused and you can drag this out for quite some time (no points = no extra insurance) with a reasonable chance that they will mess it up and withdraw the case.

You can plead guilty at any stage in the process once you go "not guilty" and it is a path worth of consideration in view of how often they screw things up, just make sure you sign it to avoid a conviction on s172 (failure to sign)

The only crime here is doing someone for 59 in a 50 early in the morning.

Puff The Magic Wagon!

iTrader: (2)

I got caught by a camera on the A14 last year. I was probably doing the speed they reckoned.

They sent NIP (to wife as PTMW! registered in her name)

I wrote back saying we weren't sure who was driving (within the timescale), asked for a photo & signed it.

They wrote back saying we had to tell them who was driving & photo evidence not always conclusive. It was also not their policy to give out photos.

I wrote back saying it was me driving (therefore complying with s172 RTA) & if they sent me a photo & a request for a FP then if my car was there at the time/day they stated & at the speed (evidence) then I'd be delighted to pay it.

Nothing for 6 months

Then a letter to advise me that no further action would be taken.


Make of that what you will.

CC

yep i too have suffered memory loss when faced with an NIP which resulted in no further action, back in 1997!

D.K.1

LOL My hubby tried that and he got it back in the post a couple of weeks later with a note asking him to sign it !

Regacy

hold your breath, I'm going to try the PTMW solution.
Sign the form but ask for evidence to clarify driver.
Must be worth a try, not breaking the law therefore nothing to loose.
If it all looks like it's going t1ts up I'll confess all and take the points.
R

jods

What's an FP ?

Just got a NIp for 41 in a 30 - Honestly can't remember who was driving on day concerned.

What is the current advice ??

SiDHEaD

Fixed penalty jods..

Leslie

In the "good old days" before spy cams, the traffic cop would have just given you a pointed lecture about speeding and sent you on your way for only +9 at 50 mph.

Les

Regacy

Just to close my part of the story....
I lost my bottle, sent back the form and took the points.
Still, I talked a good game on here!
R

ajm

Booo!

This is what they count on though... fear and intimidation to make you roll over and take it. If more people made it hard for them then the whole thing would no longer be economically viable!

OllyK

Baaaaa Baaaaa

farmer1

Was talking to the taxi driver I had the other day, which had no regard for sppedlimits or red lights. Twice the speedlimits everywhere and straight through the lights if he couldnt see anything coming.

He had a nice mercedes actually which is a rare treat for taxis in Plymouth.

Anyway I asked him how many points he had and he said he had 9. But also he hap paid 2 people £100 to take points for him. And that the past 4 NIPs he had recieved he gave a fake name and address for people in outer mongolia, India etc and named them as the driver.

Full credit to him for having the ***** to do it, as at no point did I feel in danger, bearing in mind the roads are practically empty at 2am in the morning. And by driving at twice the speed of every taxi driver ment he could do twice as many jobs therefore raking the money in.