Notices
Non Scooby Related Anything Non-Scooby related

catch 22

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06 February 2004, 12:34 AM
  #1  
rob oneill
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
 
rob oneill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Runcorn, NW England.
Posts: 1,562
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Question catch 22

I know what it means, like your screwed what ever you do, but where does it come from??
Anyone know???
Old 06 February 2004, 12:51 AM
  #2  
fatherpierre
Scooby Regular
 
fatherpierre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Surrey/London borders.
Posts: 8,300
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Catch 22

Catch 22 has become a phrase that most people use as a synonym for a dilemna, but that isn't how author Joseph Heller employed the term in the novel that spawned the phrase.



Throughout the book, Catch 22 gets invoked as a nonexistent rule that allows Yossarian's various antagonists to get away with all kinds of illegal and immoral trickery and skullduggery. I think that the last time the term appears in the novel we get to the real meaning: "Catch 22 means that they can do anything that we can't stop them from doing."



This isn't dilemna: this is despair







I googled, not my words. Although a decent summary.
Old 06 February 2004, 06:35 AM
  #3  
NotoriousREV
Scooby Regular
 
NotoriousREV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 11,581
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

In the book, Catch 22 relates to a specific rule:

Yossarian (the hero) wants to leave the war and go home. As a pilot, he can sign himself as unfit to fly due to mental stress, however his CO won't accept his signature as he is not in a fit mental state to make the decision. IIRC, that is
Old 06 February 2004, 09:07 AM
  #4  
Brendan Hughes
Scooby Regular
 
Brendan Hughes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: same time, different place
Posts: 11,313
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Rev's correct. Haven't the book in front of me, but something like:

The only way Yossarian can get home is if he is mentally unfit (crazy).

The only person to sign him mentally unfit is himself.

If he signs, then either
a) his signature is invalid, as he is too crazy to sign; or
b) he is sane enough to sign, therefore he is not crazy enough to be mentally unfit.

You'd have to be crazy to continue. If you're crazy, you should be going home. But if you know you want to go home, then obviously you aren't crazy.




OK, I give up, someone google it and put us out of our misery....
Old 06 February 2004, 10:19 AM
  #5  
mattstant
Scooby Regular
 
mattstant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,152
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thumbs up

spot on brendan one of my favourite books
Old 06 February 2004, 12:37 PM
  #6  
rob oneill
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
 
rob oneill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Runcorn, NW England.
Posts: 1,562
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Thanks guys, Ill be able to stun my mates at the pub next week with my (your )intelligence!
Old 06 February 2004, 12:55 PM
  #7  
ALi-B
Moderator
Support Scoobynet!
iTrader: (1)
 
ALi-B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: The hell where youth and laughter go
Posts: 38,034
Received 301 Likes on 240 Posts
Default

Or catch 22B.....

I've tried...but I can't seem to catch it - my car's too slow
Old 06 February 2004, 01:00 PM
  #8  
andrewdelvard
Scooby Regular
 
andrewdelvard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Plymouth
Posts: 3,079
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Great great book. Read it twice now, not laughed so hard since being given a book called '101 things to do with a dead cat' as an Xmas present many years ago.
Old 06 February 2004, 01:11 PM
  #9  
Alec
Scooby Regular
Support Scoobynet!
 
Alec's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 583
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Excellent book, great read.
Old 06 February 2004, 01:21 PM
  #10  
Brendan Hughes
Scooby Regular
 
Brendan Hughes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: same time, different place
Posts: 11,313
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

I see everything twice!
Old 06 February 2004, 01:22 PM
  #11  
carl
Scooby Regular
 
carl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 1999
Posts: 7,901
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I read about half of it, but I really couldn't get into it
Old 06 February 2004, 01:43 PM
  #12  
Brendan Hughes
Scooby Regular
 
Brendan Hughes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: same time, different place
Posts: 11,313
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

I see everything twice!
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
JonMc
Subaru Parts
22
06 February 2016 09:50 PM
Pro-Line Motorsport
Car Parts For Sale
1
30 November 2015 05:52 PM
BHPvstorque
Subaru Parts
10
21 November 2015 04:12 PM
BHPvstorque
Subaru Parts
6
28 October 2015 06:02 PM
Ganz1983
Subaru
5
02 October 2015 09:22 AM



Quick Reply: catch 22



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:33 PM.