£1M per death
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Another thread (seatbelt) has mentioned that it costs the 'state' £1M per death (car accident I assume).
Can anyone proove this. Some sort of balance sheet or something that breaks down that £1M cost.
Given that 3000 or so people die from car accidents, thats £3,000,000,000 it costs every year. Doesn't sound right.
Can anyone proove this. Some sort of balance sheet or something that breaks down that £1M cost.
Given that 3000 or so people die from car accidents, thats £3,000,000,000 it costs every year. Doesn't sound right.
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My feelings exactly - hence the 'how to pay less taxes' thread.
Everyone throws silly figures around as soon as we get onto smoking/ seatbelts/ booze etc. - but no one seems capable of backing up their claims.
It all seems to go very quiet as soon as anyone asks for proof...
My feelings exactly - hence the 'how to pay less taxes' thread.
Everyone throws silly figures around as soon as we get onto smoking/ seatbelts/ booze etc. - but no one seems capable of backing up their claims.
It all seems to go very quiet as soon as anyone asks for proof...
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And - I'm honestly curious on this one - doesn't it cost us less if they die rather than if they're badly injured?
Where are the figures? And where do the people who come up with the figures get the info from...?
Where are the figures? And where do the people who come up with the figures get the info from...?
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It certainly must save the pensions industry, and the NHS for future medical care, but cost the govt. in lost income tax etc. Hope all this has been taken into account?
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But those are theoretical costs, not actual costs regarding the accident. For those crippled, it must cost the country a lot more so death is preferable cost-wise? What if the victim was unemployed, the ratio would be reversed?
That person could die of a heart attack and that'd still cost the country in 'theoretical' costs.
I don't have kids, am I costing the country money by not having kids.
[Edited by Dracoro - 7/29/2003 2:06:54 PM]
That person could die of a heart attack and that'd still cost the country in 'theoretical' costs.
I don't have kids, am I costing the country money by not having kids.
[Edited by Dracoro - 7/29/2003 2:06:54 PM]
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I know my stay in hospital after an rta cost in the region of £240,000 in 1983/4.
The quoted figure for the air ambulance was £10,000 for the flight from scene to hospital.
The quoted figure for the air ambulance was £10,000 for the flight from scene to hospital.
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Actually, that's a good point - the cost isn't to the NHS as they ramp up treatment costs and get it out of the insurers anyway.
So - there are not so many tax savings to be had from this then but there may be insurance savings.
Next question is - how much does it cost us to look after none seatbelt wearers compared to the uninsured and the joy riders?
So - there are not so many tax savings to be had from this then but there may be insurance savings.
Next question is - how much does it cost us to look after none seatbelt wearers compared to the uninsured and the joy riders?
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If you look most of the cost is 'human costs' ..... Here's a recent email from an alias I'm on which sort of explains why they're costed so high and where the flaws are ...
"its dead easy, these silly sods, are saying the cost of a death is let's say originally 1.253 million This was contained in highways economic note one in 1999 . The figure has been adjusted by inflation ever since. hence the figure u hae been given of 1.4 million
made up of
fatal lost output £ 415,260:
medical £4,700 :
human costs £ 824,290;
police cost £ 1270 ,
insurance admin £200
property damage £7420
total £1,253,140
now then the human costs, are defined as pain, grief and suffering to the casualty, relatives and friends and for
fatal casualties, the intrinsic loss of enjoyment of life over and above the consumption of goods and services.
(where did they get the last 90 quid from ?)
anyway its all complete and utter Bollocks,
there can and never will be a value on pain grief and suffering, in economic terms. There can of course be a claim in a court for compensation, but that's a different matter . Likewise an insurance company can value a life in an insurance claim ( how many people are insured for 800,000, I may ask ) .Fact:
grief has no value.
I am not an economist, but I would also question the lost output figure of 400,000 .Why? whilst there is one person sitting on the dole que, ready to move onto the ladder of employment, a dead mans shoes will in 99 percent of cases be replaceable. thus no lost output, likewise no lost consumption, the non earner becomes
an earner and consumes.
In fact the total loss is in my book, using their figures about £ 13,000, and actually creates employment. Cars have to be rebuilt and the grave diggers get a job for a day. This may be grisly but is fact, offset by mourners taking a day off.. so what we are all talking about is a matter of 10,000's of thousands of pounds certainly not millions".
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