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Old 29 April 2003, 10:16 AM
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Hi there,

I would be really gratefull if any of you could help me with this
little question i got at uni.

Give two scenarios which would raise one (either stocks or bonds) of the prices but not the other.

I need to know within the hour!
Just a 10 word scenario will do.

I just cant work it out because all the scenarios i think of will move both prices

Thanks guys!!

Kosy.

[Edited by Kosy - 4/29/2003 10:17:38 AM]
Old 29 April 2003, 10:23 AM
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War:

Stocks fall due to uncertainty of the future months, whilst investors tend to move to bonds e.g: a war bond, they allow the government to borrow for the war, and they hold a more secure return than equities at the time.

Old 29 April 2003, 10:38 AM
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Cheers Rob..... you are a legend!!!

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Old 29 April 2003, 10:47 AM
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Old 29 April 2003, 10:51 AM
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A change in interest rates, will usually have an inverse effect on one versus the other (eg. rate rise, equities fall, bonds rise, and the opposite)
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Cheers Merkin, but according to the lecturer interest rates change both bonds and stocks at the same time. Im not saying he's right but ill better do what he says!

Thanks though

One more still needed!!

Cheers guys,

Kosy.
Old 29 April 2003, 10:59 AM
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They will nearly alway move in different directions.

As above, war and interest rates are the main influences. Consumer spending and property markets have a big influence as well.

(House prices start to drop - property investors sell up and need somewhere safe to put the money. Equities are not safe so they go for bonds until the market levels out)
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Sorry, was reading the question as long as one rises but not the other then thats acceptable answer (i.e. didnt realise the other shouldnt fall)

Another example would be a rating agency change in the debt grade (maybe sovereign ratings if we are talking about generic rather than company bonds) This would change Bond prices, but shouldnt really affect equities one way or the other.

[Edited by merkin - 4/29/2003 11:05:27 AM]
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Cheers Merkin and Fast Bloke, you guys are spot on!

Excellent scenarios.

Thanks very very much
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Glad I could help

But what does Bttt mean??
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BTTT is Back to the top

Also remeber that the examples are generalisations and will not apply to all stocks or bonds equally.

Rating agencies, company results, company news, regulator announcements, competitor results/announcements etc. all affect only one or a few companies

Interest rates, FX rates, consumer spending/borrowing figures, manufacturing output, macro news such as a war, 9/11 etc are the type of things that affect the market as a whole.

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It's also very rare that the price of an individual bond or stock will move significantly without affecting the price of the other.

I can only think of interest rates or FX rates depending on the type of bond - if its anything at all to do with the company or its market conditions incl competitors then it will affect both prices.
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When i gave the examples of ratings agencies, I was referring to Sovereign debt, which would affect the market as a whole (i.e. sweden sovereign is downgraded to bbb+ - bond mkt generally would come off, equity market would take very little note..
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Yep cheers guys, thats just what i needed
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A better scenario would be a deflationary/recessionary environment, when interest rate drops (bond price increase) and equities fall because companies lack the power to increase sales and prices of their goods and services (profits stagnate or fall as a result). Example, in Japan, bond yield is near zero and the Nikkei stock market index is at 20-year low. Getting half percent interest is better than losing money in the stock market.

This is different from a low interest environment with moderate growth and low inflation, when low returns from bonds cause investors to chase after stocks, moving up their prices. In USA, when the Fed cuts interest rate, bond prices move up (yield and price are inversely proportional) and the stock market rallies most of the time. Companies benefit from reduced cost of borrowings and moderate growth in sales.
Note: I should know, two of my former professors went on to win the Nobel Prize in Economics.

[Edited by lokokkee - 4/29/2003 9:59:48 PM]
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